TCF Bank Building Redevelopment

[Silophant]

Glad to hear it's still moving forward. Honestly, 15 or 50 stories would both be just fine, as long as it keeps its distance from the Foshay.

[grant1simons2]

This will be using smaller floor plates and considerate of Foshay. I know for a fact Franklin Street wants this to be ~60 stories.

[acs]

This will be using smaller floor plates and considerate of Foshay. I know for a fact Franklin Street wants this to be ~60 stories.

He's back! Thank you again for your contributions.

[grant1simons2]

Thank you! I'll be on and off. I still check here for transportation news because this is probably the best site for it.

[John]

Glad to hear it's still moving forward. Honestly, 15 or 50 stories would both be just fine, as long as it keeps its distance from the Foshay.

I think its relationship with the historic Foshay will be an important factor in it's design. Can't imagine it wouldn't.

[MinnMonkey]

Interesting... 175,000 to 600,000 Sq Ft., quite the range!

TCF Bank Building owner looks at hotel/office redevelopment for site

The article states the current building is 4-stories and 170,000 sq/ft. Unless the floor plates are much smaller, even at 600,000 sq/feet would only be 15-20 stories.

[MNdible]

The parcel is 165'x221', so if you did maximum build out, you only get 36,465 sf per floor. As noted above, I don't think anything that doesn't give the Foshay at least a modest amount of breathing room will be a non-starter, so you're probably looking at a reasonable maximum of 25,000 sf per floor.

[aeisenberg]

This will be using smaller floor plates and considerate of Foshay. I know for a fact Franklin Street wants this to be ~60 stories.

That would be amazing, but at 600,000 sq ft max, and 25,000/floor, that's just 24 floors and about 300-360' tall, no?

[bubzki2]

That would be amazing, but at 600,000 sq ft max, and 25,000/floor, that's just 24 floors and about 300-360' tall, no?

... leaving it comfortably shorter than the Foshay's 447 ft. roof. I could believe it.

[Avian]

There are too many variables to predict a height. So I will...

If they do go for 600,000 sf build out then perhaps the best guess is that the floor plates would be considerably smaller than 25,000 sq. ft. They have already said they will keep the existing 17-story tower. If they do not physically attach this to a new tower then there would have to be decent setabacks from both this building and the Foshay. That would cut the new tower's footprint to around 120x120 and the floorplates to less than 15,000 sf. And that's assuming there is no taper to the building. The floorplates could average 15,000 sf but the building could be 50+ stories.

[m b p]

25k sq foot floor plates are too high. Think more in the line of 12-15k per floor.

This is the space we're talking about:

The big box is the entire block. The smaller box (upper left) is the tower location. If they were to max out that tower space, we'd be looking at 150' x 180' = 27k sq ft per floor.

However, we all know we can't crowd the Foshay.
I imagine the tower will have floor plates of around 120' x 120' = 14400 sq ft per floor.
600,000 total sq ft / 14,400 per floor = 42 floors (approx).
42 floors @ 15' per floor = 630 ft. + crown = 700+ feet.

This tower has 650,000 sq ft. It has 14k-15k sq ft per floor. It is 50 floors. It is 750 ft tall.

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model. ... aaa991f630


*Edit.... Ha funny. I guessed 120 x 120 too Avian. You beat me to it.

[aeisenberg]

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[twinkess]

Holy cow a turning torso tower would be so attractive!

[mog]

Holy cow a turning torso tower would be so attractive!

I agree, that is a great design mbp.

[min-chi-cbus]

I like how it kind of looks like the Statue of Liberty the way the buildings step up in succession like that. Like the new taller one is the arm being raised, and the other two are the body leaning a bit to the left.

I don't know if others see exactly what I mean but that's the first thing that came to my mind, and it seems.......elegant!

[grant1simons2]

http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/b ... +Estate%29

2 Options being discussed currently for this site:

An office-only development that it would have about 200,000 square feet of space that Wakefield, Mass.-based Franklin Street (NYSE: FSP) would develop on its own.

A larger mixed-use development in a 45-story tower that would also include a four-star, full-service hotel at the base, about 200,000 square feet of office space in the middle and about 220 to 250 residential units on top.

[Silophant]

I'm kind if curious about how all that stuff fits into an only 45-story tower, given how small this lot is.

[grant1simons2]

It's a Perkins + Will design maybe. I know they were working with Franklin Street Prop. earlier. They have some skinny skinny towers. Anyways. Most towers are pretty skinny now too. There are spots in NYC about the same lot size that have 50-70 story towers

[Silophant]

Right, that's pretty much what I'm saying. I'd expect a skinny tower on this lot, say, similar footprint to 4Marq. That gets you about 12ksf office space or 12 residential units per floor. 240 units is 20 floors, and 200ksf office is 17 floors, leaving only 8 floors for 250 hotel rooms and associated amenities. Idk, guess we'll find out.

[sushisimo]

Didn't Perkins+Will work on the Duval proposal?