Downtown Riverfront - Mill Ruins Park - Waterworks

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Re: Downtown Riverfront - Mill Ruins Park - Waterworks

Postby MNdible » January 14th, 2020, 5:55 pm

I'm not sure that I'm 100% on board with the idea, and yes, there are probably more practical things that money could be spent on.

Here's what I really like about the idea, though: it creates an easily walkable loop where one currently doesn't exist. In some ways, it's duplicating the Stone Arch Bridge, but in some ways, it makes the Stone Arch more valuable by making it part of a pedestrian loop, and it provides a completely different perspective on the falls. Don't underestimate the power of the loop -- it's a big part of the reason why people like walking around the lakes so much, because you end up back where you started without having to backtrack.

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Re: Downtown Riverfront - Mill Ruins Park - Waterworks

Postby mister.shoes » January 14th, 2020, 10:38 pm

Tear out all the infrastructure in the water and let it go natural. This is just dumb. A real waterfall transitioning to rapids in the middle of the metro is 1000x more interesting than a walkway around a shitty concrete apron.
You are suggesting removing the functioning hydroelectric station that is on the National Register of Historic Places?
Not necessarily, no. Just the concrete apron and other in-the-water structures. Maybe.
... I really wish they would restore the falls though...
Check out this article starting at "Eastman Tunnel Collapse" and continuing through "Preservation..." to see why that is unlikely to be possible. https://web.archive.org/web/20120205042 ... gineering/
This doesn't bother me. Mother Nature doesn't care if the short-lived humans of the 2020s don't get to see the same waterfall of several hundred years earlier. These falls started down at the confluence of the rivers and slowly moved upstream over thousands of years. They should be allowed to keep moving and changing.

The sentence "Without a dramatic preservation effort, St. Anthony Falls would quickly disappear." is misleading, human-centric, and naive. The drop would deteriorate to rapids—great! Over the next few decades and centuries, humans can actively document how a river scours out its pathway and do so in the middle of a major metropolitan area. What will happen when it backs up to Nicollet Island? Let's find out!

I realize the falls made Minneapolis, but the era of humans depending on the falls as an industrial tool is over. Given the amount of money and time and effort pouring into recreational areas and resotration along the river and the unique circumstances of having a major river split our metro area, we should embrace the natural and let it go back to what it was doing before we showed up and thought we could "tame" Mother Nature.
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Re: Downtown Riverfront - Mill Ruins Park - Waterworks

Postby twinkess » January 15th, 2020, 1:34 pm

Tear out all the infrastructure in the water and let it go natural. This is just dumb. A real waterfall transitioning to rapids in the middle of the metro is 1000x more interesting than a walkway around a shitty concrete apron.
You are suggesting removing the functioning hydroelectric station that is on the National Register of Historic Places?
Not necessarily, no. Just the concrete apron and other in-the-water structures. Maybe.
The hydroelectric station requires the vertical water drop the damn/artificial falls provides to spin the turbines. Allowing the falls to progress further up the river would necessitate the closing of the station.

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Re: Downtown Riverfront - Mill Ruins Park - Waterworks

Postby fehler » January 15th, 2020, 3:26 pm

I like it. Especially if there are fishing platforms. Always feel like I'm going to get run over fishing off the SAB. Or I'm going to cast into some hipster's kombucha.

Mostly kidding. I'd love having a loop for walking, but I was hoping for the #9 bridge to be connected for that loop. But this'll do.

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Re: Downtown Riverfront - Mill Ruins Park - Waterworks

Postby mister.shoes » January 15th, 2020, 10:32 pm



You are suggesting removing the functioning hydroelectric station that is on the National Register of Historic Places?
Not necessarily, no. Just the concrete apron and other in-the-water structures. Maybe.
The hydroelectric station requires the vertical water drop the damn/artificial falls provides to spin the turbines. Allowing the falls to progress further up the river would necessitate the closing of the station.
Fair enough. Wouldn't necessitate the demolition of the building.

And yes, I realize I'm being more than a little flippant about this. Do I think this proposed walkway would be cool? Sure do. Do I think a [mostly] natural rapids through the middle of Minneapolis from downtown all the way to the Minnesota River would be cooler? Yes, a 1000x yes. I also think trying to freeze (no pun intended) the state of this river in time and attempting to control nature is a fool's errand. We are but a blip in history.
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Re: Downtown Riverfront - Mill Ruins Park - Waterworks

Postby Didier » January 16th, 2020, 8:15 am

What ever happened to those plans to create some sort of whitewater feature for kayaking or whatever?

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Re: Downtown Riverfront - Mill Ruins Park - Waterworks

Postby seanrichardryan » January 16th, 2020, 9:23 pm

It's been talked about since the early 90s at least. There is a course at the Xcel outflow, but it's not really a park. The proposal from 99' was further SE past the steam plant.

https://files.dnr.state.mn.us/aboutdnr/ ... erpark.pdf
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Postby seanrichardryan » January 16th, 2020, 9:40 pm

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