Nicollet Mall

Downtown - North Loop - Mill District - Elliot Park - Loring Park
SurlyLHT
Foshay Tower
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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby SurlyLHT » November 20th, 2020, 12:54 pm

I believe that the numbers do not truly reflect the amount of crime that is going on out there. Even within my neighborhood there are many instances where people who are victims of crime are not calling the police because they know that they will not get a response or they feel like it's a waste of time because the response they get will be more hassle than it's worth. This especially has been the response to the stealing of catalytic converters and car and/or garage break-ins.
I think we're all victims of our police department and the city council feeding negatively off each other. The city council is doing its best to destroy the police and the police are overwhelmed, under staffed, and afraid to do their jobs for fear of being the next headline.
I'm not sure how many of you have worked in a toxic environment, but it kills any motivation to do anything; you only goal is to get through till the next day. Over time I think it will get better, but for now I think we're all paying the price.
They aren't "overwhelmed, under staffed and afraid to do their jobs." They are on strike. Come on.
It's been reported quite a few police officers have left the force or there is a lack of applications for new officers. Can you blame them? Again - not saying there aren't bad cops out there or that reform isn't needed with the police department, but there are good cops out there too.

They are overwhelmed. Talk to your local Precinct Inspector at one of the community meetings they've been attending and ask them where there staff are allocated and you very quickly realize where the numbers are. Part of this is also that if there is a shooting it takes like 80% or more of a Precinct's patrols. So they can get help from another Precinct, but if there are two shootings in a night we're out of Patrols and you get bullets flying over kids playing sports and no MPD response as happened a few months ago.

We've heard different numbers about how many officers there are, part of this is because of a lawsuit from Northsiders demanding more PD. But, many Officers have left or on leave and a Cadet class I believe was canceled this year. The Mayor has 3 Cadet classes planned for 2021 to get some Officers back. They've said they don't want to simply hire officers from elsewhere, but to recruit a diverse recruit class and train them through their own academy. Some of this is simply timing, many officers have left, and Cadet classes take time.

The Cure Violence Interrupters had a soft start without adequate training on the model, but are not getting training and implementation help from Cure Violence HQ in Chicago, they should be out next year. We're hopefully also get more Mental Health officials and etc.

The next Public Comment session is December 2nd, I would encourage you all to call in and leave a comment if you live in Mpls.

amiller92
Wells Fargo Center
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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby amiller92 » November 20th, 2020, 1:29 pm

There are a large number of cops on leave right now which is an issue. Which is why the city had to call in extra help from the burbs and park police. I think that's a sign of being overwhelmed given the number of active officers .
I do agree that the reconstruction of Hennepin ave has moved alot of people around downtown added on the covid and economic crisis
Had to? You mean the mayor caved to pressure to make a symbolic gesture to offer money that the department may not even be able to spend because there may not be any officers to borrow?

Again, this is all about the politics.

amiller92
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Re: Nicollet Mall

Postby amiller92 » November 20th, 2020, 1:36 pm

It's been reported quite a few police officers have left the force or there is a lack of applications for new officers. Can you blame them? Again - not saying there aren't bad cops out there or that reform isn't needed with the police department, but there are good cops out there too.
Yes, I can blame them, for continuing a culture where kneeling on a man's neck until he's dead doesn't even raise eyebrows among his colleagues (yeah, Lane, whatever). Where the response to anger about doing so is a blue wall of silence. Where hiding in the station is how they respond to civil unrest. Where a sick out is how they respond to being called out for how they've failed us and victimized black and brown communities (admittedly, at the white majority's behest).

They are part of a outrageous system, which their ongoing behavior demonstrates. I will blame them until they become part of the solution.


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