North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories - 393'/418'

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby HKM » May 15th, 2020, 10:43 am

So the Twins have had a front-row seat for the growth of the area surrounding the stadium for the last 15 years and thought this property would sit vacant forever?

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby grrdanko » May 15th, 2020, 1:58 pm

If they were so worried they should have built an enclosed stadium.

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby MinneapBliss » May 15th, 2020, 2:28 pm

The Twins are officially "that" neighbor at the meeting who doesn't get that they don't actually own the subject property. I get that they're all about their bottom line and are worried about marketing rights, but it's like they don't realize that an increasingly vibrant area surrounding the ballpark will actually strengthen their financial prospects with more folks going to games for the overall experience and atmosphere. Hopefully it's just a play to get some sort of advertising agreement with Hines?
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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby MNdible » May 15th, 2020, 3:56 pm

The Twins don't own the land, but they *did* impart quite a few conditions onto it as terms of their purchase of the Target Field site from the previous owners, who owned both parcels. Those terms are legally binding -- whether or not the new proposal is in violation of those terms is unclear.

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby Oreos&Milk » May 17th, 2020, 11:53 am

it would be such a shame if they derail this development. It's seems so rare we get nice to decent development that also works to build new public sidewalk connections. Having that nice step down to the trail is going to be a major benefit for so many. This actually is going to connect our version of the union depot to downtown with a lovely outdoor staircase. If the twins derail this project they are fighting against not only commutiers via the Northstar but future transit goers to there games via the Northstar and the soon to be build Northern Lights Express. Plus any future train lines that were to come.

Twins couldn't be that evil they would destroy that... could they?

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby jla1591 » May 19th, 2020, 8:58 am

Apparently The St. Louis Cardinals have no issues with a big glass tower in the batters eye straight out in center field. I feel like this would be worse for the players. Horrible excuse by the Pohlads. This thing will get built.

http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthr ... 198&page=3

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby HKM » May 19th, 2020, 12:00 pm

Apparently The St. Louis Cardinals have no issues with a big glass tower in the batters eye straight out in center field. I feel like this would be worse for the players. Horrible excuse by the Pohlads. This thing will get built.

http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthr ... 198&page=3
Looks like the Cardinals own at least part of the project if not most, the president of the team appears to be the public face of it. Funny how that works.

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby grant1simons2 » May 24th, 2020, 12:29 pm

Meanwhile in the Netherlands...

https://www.designboom.com/architecture ... 5-24-2020/

Mixed use stadiums!

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby DanPatchToget » June 20th, 2020, 11:26 am

Any updates on this?

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby Silophant » June 20th, 2020, 5:06 pm

I suspect the next update we'll get will be the parking lot closing.

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby Lisa I. RoadBot » September 25th, 2020, 7:05 am

Thought I would give this thread a bump, I am wondering if there is anything new regarding this project.....

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby nordeast homer » September 25th, 2020, 10:36 am

I actually visited the site this morning and cars are still parked there, but there was a dumpster on the south end of the lot., Not sure if it was for one of the buildings there or for prep work. Hard to tell since it wasn't up close to anything.

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby dimabima » September 25th, 2020, 12:57 pm

Developers gave an update to the North Loop P&Z Committee this week.

https://2w5swnzapmf232d0u3vwgc1u-wpengi ... 2020-1.pdf

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby ztr421 » September 25th, 2020, 2:43 pm

The FAA site shows that they got their crane(?)/building height(?) permits recently. One has a work schedule of 04/01/2021 to 10/30/2023 and the other is 10/19/2020 to 11/08/2022.

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby uptownbro » September 25th, 2020, 3:01 pm

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... =446162627
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... =446171535

Here are the links to the FAA docs looks like the 19th is the day for work to start

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby Silophant » September 25th, 2020, 3:48 pm

Oh, cool! Not a info source I had ever considered. Good to know that this is still moving forward.

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby TroyGBiv » September 26th, 2020, 12:00 am

It says structure height is 418

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby TroyGBiv » September 26th, 2020, 12:02 am

The second one for the FAA lists a much taller building height but I think that is crane height during construction.

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories / 393'

Postby Silophant » September 26th, 2020, 6:56 am

I believe that 418' is the height from the actual ground level - the parking lot and Dock St. I never was able to figure out why all the CPC documents went along with "5th St is the ground" thing.

Similarly, I'm excited for this to start and get about 6 months in so we learn what, if anything, they're going to do about 5th St being pretty significantly sloped, not flat like it's shown in all their drawings.

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Re: North Loop Green - Hines - 350 N 5th St(?) - 35 stories - 393'/418'

Postby SurlyLHT » September 28th, 2020, 9:01 am

It has been fun to see the Gateway starting to shape the skyline, hopefully toward the end of that project we'll get to see both under construction.


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