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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby John » July 23rd, 2012, 12:00 pm

Downtown retail is going through a great deal of change. I agree the new grocery stores are a huge positive. Nicollet Mall, however, could use some new retail blood and they need to find ways to attract retail tenants. The big problem with Nicollet Mall retail is really City Center. Talk about bad PR! . Its boarded up on the corners and a fantastic hangout for hoodlums with all its blank walls. Until there is a major renovation of this complex, there is is going to further deterioration of retail on Nicollet Mall. City Center's rehab should be at the top of the city's priority for improving retail downtown.The other related issue is the Mall has become the epicenter for vagrants and panhandlers for the Upper Midwest, with a dramatic increase in people loitering. In my building, there are many elderly residents who tell me they are afraid walking down the Mall! There needs to be a better balance so no group overwhelms the streetscape and everyone feels safe.
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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby Lancestar2 » July 23rd, 2012, 12:04 pm

I find this as good news. Wouldn't it be wonderful if Best Buy decided to create a small 20,000-40,000 sq. ft. store! :o Also maybe a Old Navy on the upper floors! I know only in my dreams! :cry:

Realistically I doubt Neiman Marcus would be on of the new anchors in the MOA (Bloomingdales location) given they would have already been planning a new store as there only location in Minneapolis is under performing. I do see it very possible that NM would possible add a store in the expanded MOA where the upscale shopping section will be in phase 2. The MOA would be a far better option than Nicollet Mall could ever be if Phase 2 goes according to plan with attracting high end shoppers from all over the world.

I personally hate seeing anchor stores being broken up into smaller stores, however I think this might be a great chance to create a "Mall" on Nicollet Mall. clothing stores like American Eagle, Ambercrombie, Old Navy, Ralph Loren, Aeropostale, and many other stores that people like to shop at. There is already a nice food court and many other stores right next door too. Maybe we will get lucky and get a much nicer site drawing more people and having a bigger positive impact downtown. It's right off the LRT line for crying out loud! I doubt this site will site vacant for very long!

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby Didier » July 23rd, 2012, 12:11 pm

I agree. Minneapolis should focus on teen clothing stores in the heart of downtown! :idea:

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby sanchopanza » July 23rd, 2012, 1:07 pm

Nieman Marcus is closing downtown, but developers are planning an upscale shopping mall in Eagan.

This should be a red flag for the city of Mpls, there is a perception that 'upscale' people don't come downtown.

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby mnmike » July 23rd, 2012, 1:14 pm

I find this as good news. Wouldn't it be wonderful if Best Buy decided to create a small 20,000-40,000 sq. ft. store! :o Also maybe a Old Navy on the upper floors! I know only in my dreams! :cry:

Realistically I doubt Neiman Marcus would be on of the new anchors in the MOA (Bloomingdales location) given they would have already been planning a new store as there only location in Minneapolis is under performing. I do see it very possible that NM would possible add a store in the expanded MOA where the upscale shopping section will be in phase 2. The MOA would be a far better option than Nicollet Mall could ever be if Phase 2 goes according to plan with attracting high end shoppers from all over the world.

I personally hate seeing anchor stores being broken up into smaller stores, however I think this might be a great chance to create a "Mall" on Nicollet Mall. clothing stores like American Eagle, Ambercrombie, Old Navy, Ralph Loren, Aeropostale, and many other stores that people like to shop at. There is already a nice food court and many other stores right next door too. Maybe we will get lucky and get a much nicer site drawing more people and having a bigger positive impact downtown. It's right off the LRT line for crying out loud! I doubt this site will site vacant for very long!
Not to be a negative Nancy, but I seruously doubt any of those stores are interested in downtown...if they were, they would already likely be in city center, where rent is dirt cheap. You have to understand that stores similar to this (Express, Structure, Victorias Secret, The Limited, etc...)were already downtown and left in the 90s? I really see no signs of a retail resurgence downtown in the near future. Retail downtown has bee stagnant or declining for many years...and it continues to be difficult to lure new retailers. I hate to be a downer on your rosy outlook, but I have a feeling that this will be vacant for a while, unless it is totally reformatted or made into office/restaurant space. Over 50% of the spaces in that wing of Gaviidae are vacant as it is. It doesn't help that the owners of Gaviidae and especially City Center don't really put a lot of effort into their buildings.

Nieman Marcus is closing downtown, but developers are planning an upscale shopping mall in Eagan.

This should be a red flag for the city of Mpls, there is a perception that 'upscale' people don't come downtown.
Upscale retail downtown has been out for a long time. Starting with the failed Conservatory mall, to the loss of the much more upscale Daytons to Macys, Crate and Barrel, Williams Sonoma, Polo Ralph Lauren, Saks Fifth Ave... Downtown is not for upscale retail anymore. There are a lot of people on this board who don't seem to have a realisic grasp of the downtown Minneapolis retail market it seems to me....no offense. Maybe it is just because I am older (and I am only 31) and remember all the retail downtown that has come and gone, or that I am inherantly negative:) I have said it before, and I still think...downtown will never again be the retail destination it was, even in the 90s. That doesn't have to be a horrible thing, we just have to figure out what it will be.

PS, the Eagan mall is upscale, but upscale outlets. Upscale stores locate in Edina pretty much.

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby Nathan » July 23rd, 2012, 1:50 pm

It's unfortunate that we have a lag in retail success when we are about to get so many more DT residents. If only we could fast forward 3-5 years. There is a chance we'll have a whole generation of people willing to shed their cars and really create and utilize self sufficient urban areas. But I guess we'll have to create the demand for retail again once all the people start moving in. If I could have a job DT, instead of in the suburbs, I'd loose my car, and i live in Uptown. My friends without cars always seem pretty happy about it.

I love the Gaviidae Commons, it was done really well. Hopefully it can power through. I remember when my Mom first took me there it was SO amazingly enchanting as a kid and I still get excited by the space.

A major City Center Facade renovation could not come soon enough. The North Side of Nicollet is SO close to being great.

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby mnmike » July 23rd, 2012, 1:53 pm

I agree that it is unfortunate about the lag time...it does seem that if we can actually add a lot more residents really close to the core, which it seems we will...demand for retail could and should go up again.

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby Tyler » July 23rd, 2012, 2:03 pm

I agree that it is unfortunate about the lag time...it does seem that if we can actually add a lot more residents really close to the core, which it seems we will...demand for retail could and should go up again.
I bet we'll see a retail boom downtown in 15 years or so. After we build some high end condos in the core.
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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby John » July 23rd, 2012, 2:09 pm

I agree with Mnmike that a big part of the problem is the poor effort on the part of the owners of Gaviidae and City Center. City Center in particular needs a huge makover. I think it could be very successful with a dramatic change to its horrendous architecture. The same goes for Block E. I actually don't think the future prognosis for retail downtown is gloomy at all with some strategic investment. We do have a rapidly growing residential base, and I think the new Vikings Stadium and Target Center renovation will enhance downtown retail in ways that may not be evident yet.

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby Didier » July 23rd, 2012, 2:49 pm

How will the Target Center renovation enhance retail on Nicollet Mall?

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby minntransplant » July 23rd, 2012, 2:54 pm

Downtown Minneapolis lost the battle for retail. The fact is that consumers prefer places like MOA. While I think that is sad, it is the reality. In any event, I don't think Minneapolis should try to compete with MOA or other large suburban malls. We have seen those failures manifest many times already (Block E, City Center). Instead, Minneapolis should keep focused on getting more people living downtown. Retail will follow. But, the retail that does follow will not (and should not) be "planned", large scale, or mall-like. Instead, I think we will see retail in the form of botiques/small-scale stores. You are already seeing the beginnings of this in the North Loop. If pockets of trendy, eclectic, and diverse retail grows organically, then perhaps downtown will once again be a retail destination. But, convincing someone in Roseville or St. Louis Park to drive Downtown to go to gap or banana republican (or any other "chain" retailer) seems a tall order when it is more convenient to drive to one of the Dales or MOA.

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby Didier » July 23rd, 2012, 3:38 pm

I completely agree with minntransplant. There are tens of thousands of workers downtown each day and something like 30,000 people living downtown, so there is inherently a need for people to buy stuff. Maybe it's not as much stuff as people used to buy, and maybe the new stuff is not (initially) as exciting for suburbanites. But there's no point in trying to compete with Rosedale and Mall of America by putting the same chain stores downtown and trying to compete for drive-in customers.

The goal should be to create enough amenities downtown so that more people want to live and work there, and then the more people who live and work there the more unique those amenities will become. That is what will draw people from afar, not American Eagle.

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby John » July 23rd, 2012, 4:09 pm

There are still very strong aspects of downtown retail if you include restaurants and entertainment. And I think Macy's does quite well. The Target is always packed. I think the new grocery stores will do well. Having a rapidly growing downtown residential population is sure to attract retailers attention at some point in the future. I think Fotoapparatic is correct in his prediction that in 3-5 years we will see a resurgence of retail downtown.

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby Didier » July 23rd, 2012, 4:37 pm

To be sure, I don't think anybody is advocating that downtown rid itself of chain retail. The larger point is to grow retail organically rather than trying to create faux shopping malls meant to attract people from the suburbs.

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby seanrichardryan » July 23rd, 2012, 5:02 pm

Ha! An Apple store facing Nicollet would certainly add some vitality.
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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby John21 » July 23rd, 2012, 5:16 pm

Has downtown retail ever done anything to promote itself as a whole?

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby sushisimo » July 23rd, 2012, 6:10 pm

Has downtown retail ever done anything to promote itself as a whole?
Not since the formation of Holidazzle, I think. Other than that, there's the Downtowner coupon flyer :| .

It's disheartening to see Uptown, Southdale and MOA get stores I'd love to see downtown. The most recent knife twisting in the chest was Uptown getting CB2. But downtown is so stale right now, I don't blame these stores for wanting to locate in an area that has momentum in attracting likely stores and traffic. I wonder how long and what stores taking a risk it will take before downtown retail gets to a positive tipping point again. We're doing well with groceries at least. Viva la potatoes.

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby writruth » July 23rd, 2012, 10:29 pm

I have to echo the general disappointment in today's gloomy retail news. There's really been a marked erosion of retail stores in downtown Minneapolis over the past 20-25 years. The failure of The Conservatory and the "Chernobyl of Minneapolis retail" City Center have proven toxic. However, I'm not as convinced we will see a pronounced boom in retail in the next 15 years. The idea of a Best Buy opening a downtown storefront is unlikely. They had their chance years ago at the company's peak and declined. Now the company is scrambling to survive.

There's just no real buzz, that makes the downtown scene alluring enough to draw the droves of folks MOA draws in a day. City leaders need to emphasize the many positive attributes of downtown living, dining, entertainment, retail and build the area as a destination location.

C'mon Minneapolis! Enough has gone against us on our local sports scene and in retail. Time a blockbuster development or two to be put forward. We need a game-changer to get back onto the national radar.

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Re: Neiman Marcus Closing DT Location

Postby John » July 23rd, 2012, 11:55 pm

The "game changers" could be a dramatically renovated Block E and City Center if we could get some decent developers and land owners with some guts and savvy. The developers around these days (Magellan and Bob Lux the major exceptions) are timid and spineless. The city should make these two complexes a priority to get redeveloped. And we need beat cops 24/7/365 downtown to patrol "hot spots". And Nicollet Residences should include a hotel to be 40-45 stories, not shrunk to 27 stories! :x

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Postby Nick » November 17th, 2012, 5:04 pm

Looks like something's happening in that street level space next to Target.


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