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Postby alexschief » July 7th, 2021, 7:44 am

The decision to cancel this fair is a big mistake in judgment. The best possible way to address security issues and change the immediate perception of Uptown would be to hold a block party and fill the neighborhood up with thousands of people. This would've been the 57th annual fair, which means that it was running during the 80's and 90's when violent crime was higher than it is today. I almost wonder if the fair was started in the first place as a means of bringing people safely out onto the street to help change perceptions of the city and the neighborhood.

I was just reading the other day about how the Somali Independence Day celebrations went on without a hitch. They didn't dismiss security concerns, but they responded to them by hiring an outside group of literal peacekeepers to direct traffic and manage security. If they can do it, so could Uptown.

Unfortunately, after seeing what happened with GABA/Grand Old Day, I bet there's something more going on behind the scenes here with the Uptown Association. Public safety concerns are real, but they ring hollow as an explanation for cancelling a street fair.

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Postby Nathan » July 7th, 2021, 7:55 am

Why does the "local art community" think the Uptown Art Fair is a laughingstock? What are the issues? What do you mean by the local art community?
Because it's essentially pay to play and the majority of the artists are not from Minnesota. So it does not do a good job of supporting the local arts scene.

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Postby amiller92 » July 7th, 2021, 8:02 am

Whatever the opinions on the art fair...again with the continued want to deny that there are actually problems with public safety. Well, there are. It isn't "perceived".
There was a movement to boycott the art fair and there would certainly have been protest. Is that "public safety" or is this another example of business "leaders" making excuses that are really bad for business??

ETA: Also, what Alex said.

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Postby seanrichardryan » July 7th, 2021, 8:09 am

WELL, policing has proven to be pretty ineffective, so an event where 100s of people put art in flimsy tents and expect it to protected overnight by MPD seems like a bad idea.
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Postby uptownbro » July 7th, 2021, 8:28 am

I think it was the wrong call to cancel it but I do understand why. MDP usually provides security but given the on going protests and the
very small subgroup of then who seem to more be there more to cause issues then promote a movement I can see why. I could see them either forcing a confrontation with MDP or trashing the space at night.
I wonder if it was to close to the event to look for a third party like the Somali independence day had as thats the logical alternative to hiring MPD and really should be the first choice to begin with.
I do think it would have been good for the local business to have hundreds/thousands of people out and about. Even brining people from other parts of the metro or city would have helped the intersections image a lot. This event could have been a great showcase for some of the really creative local art we saw over the past year on the plywood but as someone said above im not sure how much local art is actually part of this event

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Postby RedDutch » July 7th, 2021, 11:41 am

WELL, policing has proven to be pretty ineffective, so an event where 100s of people put art in flimsy tents and expect it to protected overnight by MPD seems like a bad idea.
That is a very good point!

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Postby dimabima » July 7th, 2021, 12:07 pm

Stone Arch Festival was really successful from what I've heard. It was packed with people and I didn't hear about any substantial thefts / safety concerns.

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Postby uptownbro » July 7th, 2021, 12:13 pm

I think it is more the ongoing issues or fear of them at that intersection then city wide safety issues as there have been several large scale events like this that were without issues

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Postby MNdible » July 8th, 2021, 9:40 am

Saw video from last night of somebody doing donuts in the intersection of Hennepin and Lagoon while firing a gun into the air. The situation is very much not under control.

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Postby Nick » July 8th, 2021, 9:44 am

Is there a precedent for a situation where people are living in such different realities? Whenever I hear people talk about, you know, what’s going on outside, it feels surreal.

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Postby uptownbro » July 8th, 2021, 10:03 am

Its truly a night and day thing. I walk that area most days and even at night and its pretty normal its just at night maybe once every week or two someone does something like that. MPD has tried to not over police or be overly visible in that area given the on going protests which has welcomed some people to think they can do anything.
Pre covid there was usually a fair amount of police in that area.

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Postby Tiller » July 8th, 2021, 12:10 pm

On July 4th I saw on a friend's snapchat story people shooting fireworks off and people doing donuts I think at Lake and Hiawatha. Also playing music and dancing in the streets, it was only missing a big grill and food! Seemed like an enjoyable time. I talked to them afterwards, and the police tried to interfere with those 4th celebrations until people responded with fireworks 😂

It's really not that scary.

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Postby phop » July 8th, 2021, 12:18 pm

The street race/sideshow crews killed two teenage onlookers in separate shootouts just a month ago.

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Postby uptownbro » July 8th, 2021, 12:23 pm

I guess I find people shooting guns out of a car in the middle of a street with a crowd surrounding them as fairly scary but maybe thats just me......

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Postby tedlanda2571 » July 8th, 2021, 4:02 pm

On July 4th I saw on a friend's snapchat story people shooting fireworks off and people doing donuts I think at Lake and Hiawatha. Also playing music and dancing in the streets, it was only missing a big grill and food! Seemed like an enjoyable time. I talked to them afterwards, and the police tried to interfere with those 4th celebrations until people responded with fireworks

It's really not that scary.
“Sure multiple people have been shot, hit by cars, etc. at these street takeover events, and sure they engage in activity that makes life less pleasant for the neighbors, but my friends went once and said it was fun! Plus they got to stick it to the man and chase away the cops!”

Talk about instant loss of credibility…

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Postby Tiller » July 9th, 2021, 2:30 pm

It sounds like there's an assumption that at any of these things its always the same people? Because there was no gunfire at the one I was referring to. And I didn't mention anything about street racing. I haven't seen news about those shootings a month ago. So maybe that was a bad take? Shootings have also happened at bars, though that doesn't mean the bars caused them.

Clearly firing a gun in public is dangerous and not ok, though you also have to accept that shootings are an unfortunate inevitability with America's unstainable inequality and poor gun laws. Firing a gun into the air for shits and giggles is dumb and callous, but not malicious. It's unlawful discharge of a Firearm. How often has spinning cars in circles led to shootings? Because shootings can happen anywhere, and usually they aren't random. They have other causes. You can't get rid of them without fixing those causes, you can only segregate the effects.

In terms of being hit by a car, 1-2 cars spinning in a circle doesn't seem more dangerous than what we would normally see with those giant, overbuilt intersections being full of speeding traffic anyways. We've just normalized the danger from one, but not the other.

The part that I would immediately point to to criticize would be that particulate pollution from burning rubber is a health hazard, and the noise pollution would impact other people's sleep. Which also applies to fireworks and bonfires.

But fireworks and bonfires are normalized in American culture and aren't associated with young black men like "sideshows" are. I'm not saying it's the case here, because i can't make that judgment about random people, but for many white people thoughts of crime/guns/danger are inseperable from the racism they were conditioned to believe in. That's why they think the answer is more police and being "tough on crime". Like all they need to do is put "criminals" in their place. That doesn't work though.

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Postby NickP » July 11th, 2021, 10:42 am

It sounds like there's an assumption that at any of these things its always the same people? Because there was no gunfire at the one I was referring to. And I didn't mention anything about street racing. I haven't seen news about those shootings a month ago. So maybe that was a bad take? Shootings have also happened at bars, though that doesn't mean the bars caused them.

Clearly firing a gun in public is dangerous and not ok, though you also have to accept that shootings are an unfortunate inevitability with America's unstainable inequality and poor gun laws. Firing a gun into the air for shits and giggles is dumb and callous, but not malicious. It's unlawful discharge of a Firearm. How often has spinning cars in circles led to shootings? Because shootings can happen anywhere, and usually they aren't random. They have other causes. You can't get rid of them without fixing those causes, you can only segregate the effects.

In terms of being hit by a car, 1-2 cars spinning in a circle doesn't seem more dangerous than what we would normally see with those giant, overbuilt intersections being full of speeding traffic anyways. We've just normalized the danger from one, but not the other.

The part that I would immediately point to to criticize would be that particulate pollution from burning rubber is a health hazard, and the noise pollution would impact other people's sleep. Which also applies to fireworks and bonfires.

But fireworks and bonfires are normalized in American culture and aren't associated with young black men like "sideshows" are. I'm not saying it's the case here, because i can't make that judgment about random people, but for many white people thoughts of crime/guns/danger are inseperable from the racism they were conditioned to believe in. That's why they think the answer is more police and being "tough on crime". Like all they need to do is put "criminals" in their place. That doesn't work though.
Very well said. Thank you for sharing.

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Postby Didier » July 11th, 2021, 10:44 am

Is street racing actually associated with Black men?

And does literally anyone like other people’s fireworks? Check out Nextdoor sometime and bonfires and fireworks aren’t as popular as you think.

Ultimately none of that matters though. Street racing etc. is illegal because it’s a nuisance and extremely dangerous.

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Postby Mdcastle » July 11th, 2021, 4:00 pm

Every time an illegal firework goes off I would call the police if I thought there was actually a realistic chance of the people doing it being found and cited. And I wasn't a fan of my neighbors bonfires either, considering they invited seemingly half the city but not us. But they weren't violating any laws because they wrapped up by midnight.

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Postby uptownbro » September 8th, 2021, 1:16 pm

It looks like lynlake retail space is doing pretty well.
Besides side chicks opening, a new barber shop and gym have opened. A new restaurant/bar in the former Lyn lake tap house space as well as a new cafe across the street are in the process of opening. All within about block of each other. A few more spaces look to also be under construction for new tenets but im not sure what would go into them.
Sunnys hair is also reopening on Lyndale.


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