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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby David Greene » January 5th, 2018, 10:32 am

That's a nice, concise piece. The way the city conducts its Small Area Plan process certainly does lend an air of "compact" with the neighborhoods, and frankly, if residents put in hundreds of hours crafting a plan, it's not unreasonable to have some expectation that the plan will be generally followed (and I'm not saying it's not).

Some people definitely want such plans to be iron-clad law. Sometimes those desires are really cover for something else not as PC. But other times I think people sincerely think their hard work has been thrown away. Teasing out one from the other is very difficult, but I think it's worth the effort. People like to be respected and I've found that if people feel respected, it's much easier to have conversations with them about difficult things. Not everyone will agree but if people feel there's been a good, robust conversation and they've been taken seriously, it tends to blunt the pain for them if they don't get everything they want.

Now, some will say I'm just advocating for bogging down the process, and it's true that real conversation takes time. In fact it's going to take more time than usual given past actions (on all "sides"). And there will always be those who feel disrespected no matter what. Nothing we can do to help that, unfortunately.

This also means that real conversation has to happen around variances and other one-off alterations/exceptions to the plan. Honestly, some more effort in educating people about what the various pieces of zoning mean would help. I know I'd benefit from that. The city has some nice education programs for residents on various aspects of city government. Do they have one for zoning/development? Maybe we need to put some more resources into that.

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby MNdible » January 5th, 2018, 10:38 am

A select few developers with the resources to fight for variances end up building most of the multifamily housing in the city, while many more choose instead to build in less-restrictive markets.


Not to pick apart the piece, but this line in particular left me scratching my head. Any evidence for this? Seems like the lion's share of multi-family housing has been built in the City of Minneapolis over the last decade.

I'd also tend to agree that the missing-middle argument (while *perhaps* true) is not likely to be terribly convincing. I'd go to David's tack of "If not here, where?"

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby FISHMANPET » January 5th, 2018, 11:07 am

As a cynic I think a lot of the arguments end up getting made to counter people who are putting forth criticism hypocritically. It's easy to say "I support development but it has to be responsible" and sound like a reasonable person, and if pressed that person might say "well we need less 6 story buildings and more duplexes and smaller apartment buildings" but then they'll end up actually opposing any change that would make it easier to build what they claim to want. So it's maybe subconsciously an argument that's made so that the other person will accidentally out themselves as a liar.

As too the "other markets" I wonder if that means other metro areas, in terms of national developers? It can also just as easily mean building 100 acres of tract homes 45 minutes outside of downtown as it does building an apartment building in Richfield.

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Re: Uptown General Topics & Development Map

Postby VacantLuxuries » January 5th, 2018, 11:09 am

That line could have benefited from clarification but I didn't want to get into the weeds on local devs. But considering how tight the market is right now, it's surprising to me that the multifamily developers who work mostly in the suburbs for the most part haven't attempted to dip into the Minneapolis market. If their company doesn't have the resources or the working relationships with the city to pursue variances, I'm saying that they probably are more likely to go outside the city borders to deal with the devil they know, even though a City of Minneapolis project could end up more lucrative.

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Postby twincitizen » January 29th, 2018, 4:22 pm

Victoria’s Secret is closing the Uptown location.

Good opportunity for a joke post or tweet about all the chains closing in Uptown (as to the typical “Uptown is all chains these days” nonsense)

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Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Postby BigIdeasGuy » January 29th, 2018, 8:23 pm

Sadly it looks like the only looks like owners don't own any of the properties located next to this building so I'm guessing it will get refilled with a different national chain and not redeveloped into something better.

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Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Postby twincitizen » January 29th, 2018, 9:39 pm

Built 1993. What was it built as originally?

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Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Postby Silophant » January 29th, 2018, 9:42 pm

It was a Gap before it was a Victoria's Secret, right?

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Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Postby seanrichardryan » January 29th, 2018, 11:00 pm

Yes. The Gap replaced a building that burned in like 91'.
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Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Postby seanrichardryan » January 29th, 2018, 11:02 pm

Q. What, what? A. In da butt.

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Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Postby twincitizen » January 30th, 2018, 12:20 am

Hmmm... looks like the building owner opted not to renew the lease with VS after 10 years, rather than VS closing by choice. They must think they can land an even bigger fish.

On the subject of landing bigger fish, what the hell is up with the Suburban Theater? Are they ever going to find a tenant? Holding out for 1-2 years seems reasonable, but it's been 4 years since the current owner bought it. What gives?

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Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Postby Blaisdell Greenway » January 30th, 2018, 2:16 pm

Hmmm... looks like the building owner opted not to renew the lease with VS after 10 years, rather than VS closing by choice. They must think they can land an even bigger fish.
My guess is that they already had a few (several?) brokers contact them with much more appealing offers than whatever VS signed onto 10 years ago. This is a prime corner so people have it on their radar. I'm with Magrino on this one: Uniqlo or bust!!

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Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Postby Nick » January 30th, 2018, 3:16 pm

[screaming] Uniqlo, Uniqlo, Uniqlo, Uniqlo,

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Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Postby Qhaberl » January 30th, 2018, 3:19 pm

[screaming] Uniqlo, Uniqlo, Uniqlo, Uniqlo,
My fiancé and I were in Chicago over the weekend. We went to that store. Was pretty cool. Would be neat to get one of them here in Minneapolis.


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Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Postby grant1simons2 » January 30th, 2018, 5:33 pm

Or Topshop/Topman. I hate fast fashion buuuuuut.

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Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Postby John » January 30th, 2018, 7:06 pm

Glad Victoria's Secret is gone. Kind of a lame retail chain for that intersection. Uniqlo and Topman would be a much better fit.

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Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Postby LakeCharles » January 31st, 2018, 9:46 am

I wonder how long those fast fashion chains will be around. Getting someone like Topman to sign a 10 year lease seems like we could easily end up with a vacant building in 5 years.

But maybe I'm just out of touch.

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Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Postby NickP » January 31st, 2018, 10:27 am

If Uniqlo happened I would be super excited :-)

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Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Postby VacantLuxuries » January 31st, 2018, 10:29 am

I wonder how long those fast fashion chains will be around.
It would give the HERC more to do. /s

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Re: Uptown Retail & Restaurant News

Postby amiller92 » January 31st, 2018, 11:12 am

Uniqlo and Topman
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