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Re: Suburbs - General Topics

Postby Tyler » February 11th, 2015, 2:36 pm

Heh. Wonder if the Phamites will make the trek. Seems unlikely.
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Re: Suburbs - General Topics

Postby Wedgeguy » February 11th, 2015, 2:56 pm

Heh. Wonder if the Phamites will make the trek. Seems unlikely.
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Re: Suburbs - General Topics

Postby bapster2006 » February 12th, 2015, 9:48 am

This guy has to see the writing on the wall.

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Re: Suburbs - General Topics

Postby Anondson » February 15th, 2015, 11:30 pm

The site where a youth mental health facility was denied to the great shame of Golden Valley, was proposed to be townhomes instead.

With the developer returning with the final plan now with fewer homes and more parking (24, not 30), Golden Valley council thinks it now has something that fits with the first ring suburb.

http://post.mnsun.com/2015/02/new-devel ... en-valley/

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Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Postby talindsay » February 17th, 2015, 12:18 pm

Sorry Grant, while it's true that there was prairie in Hennepin County once, it's been more than 500 years. In the history of white settlement of Minnesota, Hennepin County has always been in the deciduous zone. For more, reference: http://anthropology.umn.edu/labs/wlnaa/ ... pter3.html and http://dnr.state.mn.us/biomes/index.html

Eden "Prairie" has a suburb name, not an historical name. Eden Prairie's website (http://www.edenprairie.org/community/ab ... ie-history) claims the town got its name from Elizabeth Fries Ellet, who supposedly visited the location in 1852 while writing her book, Summer Rambles in the West according to this website though I'll note that website includes no reference except Wikipedia, which in turn references a now-defunct article on that same site as the source of its confirmatory statement. Regardless, the name is less an accurate description of the biome and more an ambitious statement about the attitudes of those who named it.

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Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Postby grant1simons2 » February 17th, 2015, 1:01 pm

And multiple letters from Ellet back home. Unless those were entirely faked and then spread around old homes in Eden Prairie.

Here, the historical society website is pretty great to play around with. They're missing some of the extra bits of history I've dug up while exploring but it's a start: http://www.edenprairiehistory.org/page6/page6.html

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Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Postby talindsay » February 17th, 2015, 1:21 pm

Interestingly, they say she called it "Eden" - no "Prairie". Other (poorly-referenced) indications seemed to be that it was just "Eden" in the 19th Century, which makes sense since it clearly wasn't prairie when the original settlers cleared the trees. It looks like the 1898 plat book by Peter Dahl (http://reflections.mndigital.org/cdm/re ... hs/id/1299) identifies it as "Eden Prairie" so at least by then that's how it was called. I wonder how it got from "Eden" in 1852/3 to "Eden Prairie" in 1898.
One more note: Eden Prairie in 1898 was an unincorporated township, but it appears it was technically *two* townships: 115 and 116. Looks like 116 must be the tiny little fractional areas of the river bend south of the 6-mile delineating line of the township that were still in Hennepin County. I'll have to look and see if that strange historical oddity is still recognized in contemporary code since Eden Prairie is now incorporated (my guess is not).
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Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Postby nBode » February 17th, 2015, 1:23 pm

Wait, does Eden Prairie have a historic center I don't know about? I can't think of where that would be. Probably near the river?

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Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Postby acs » February 17th, 2015, 1:34 pm

yep, here's downtown EP:

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.853568, ... !2e0?hl=en

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Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Postby talindsay » February 17th, 2015, 1:36 pm

This 1873 map by Wright shows the name "Eden Prairie" for the township, with nothing non-farming within its boundaries. The town of Shakopee can be seen as an actual place on this map, just south of the river. My assumption is that for all things that weren't government based, residents of the southern part of this township probably went there.

In 1898 there was a small collection of houses around the "Eden Prairie P.O." at the "Eden Prairie Station" on the Minneapolis and St. Louis Railroad in section 17 and another small collection along a road in sections 26 and 27. The entire township had maybe a hundred households though, so not a "center" to speak of.

By 1913 section 25&26 contained a little area called, "Eden Prairie Acres" according to the Westby maps (http://collections.mnhs.org/cms/display ... n=11008094). Still nobody but farms anywhere discernible in the entire township, however.

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Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Postby mattaudio » February 17th, 2015, 1:52 pm

Isn't there an abandoned village down by the Minnesota River in Eden Prairie? I think we discussed that once somewhere in a thread more fitting than SWLRT.

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Re: Suburbs - General Topics

Postby sdho » February 17th, 2015, 2:05 pm

Edina asks if drive-thrus should be banned. Edinans say no (at least so far)

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Re: Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)

Postby woofner » February 17th, 2015, 3:39 pm

Sorry Grant, while it's true that there was prairie in Hennepin County once, it's been more than 500 years. In the history of white settlement of Minnesota, Hennepin County has always been in the deciduous zone. For more, reference: http://anthropology.umn.edu/labs/wlnaa/ ... pter3.html and http://dnr.state.mn.us/biomes/index.html
While it is strictly true that prairie hasn't been present during the history of European settlement in the Twin Cities, it was largely oak savannah, which many people would say looks a lot like what they think of as a prairie. That is, lots of grass:

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Re: Suburbs - General Topics

Postby Nick » February 17th, 2015, 6:07 pm

Isn't there an abandoned village down by the Minnesota River in Eden Prairie? I think we discussed that once somewhere in a thread more fitting than SWLRT.
Wasn't this the now defunct City of Hennepin? I just spent ten minutes trying to find a link about it but can't seem to. I think there was a short article in MinnPost maybe (?) in the past year or two about it.
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Re: Suburbs - General Topics

Postby grant1simons2 » February 17th, 2015, 6:15 pm

Here's the map of Hennepin: http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews ... .image.jpg

If it worked it would've been amazing. A grid system with historical downtowns like Chaska and Shakopee? Count me in. But it didn't and that's what really sucks. I explored the area for a good 2 hours trying to find some remains and I hardly could find anything. I remember going back there with my dad back in around 2002-03 seeing some old foundations and such, but I couldn't find the site anymore. It doesn't feel like Eden Prairie when you're down there. You can't see houses, you can barely hear the cars, it smells like woods, there's a ton of wildlife, etc. I'll have to re-check in the early summer so I don't get killed by mosquitoes and thorns like last time. I've been looking at aerial shots for the past 20 minutes of the area. Things sure have changed. So much farm land and farm houses. Apparently my house, which was built in the 80s, was actually built on top of a pond. Great.

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Re: Suburbs - General Topics

Postby seanrichardryan » February 17th, 2015, 6:49 pm

Wait, are we discussing this in three threads now?
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Re: Suburbs - General Topics

Postby PhilmerPhil » February 17th, 2015, 7:41 pm

I really like that font in the City of Hennepin map Grant posted. Sorry. Off topic.

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Re: Suburbs - General Topics

Postby Nick » February 17th, 2015, 8:35 pm

dammit phil

If the article from a year or two ago is in fact made up in my head and it was just a conversation we had here, someone should write up a lil' post about the City of Hennepin, that's a fun subject.
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Re: Suburbs - General Topics

Postby MNdible » February 18th, 2015, 12:31 am

Nick, you're probably thinking of this article:

http://www.minnpost.com/stroll/2013/11/ ... cisco-minn

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Re: Suburbs - General Topics

Postby Nick » February 18th, 2015, 7:18 am

Yeah that must have been it, thanks.
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