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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby tmart » September 7th, 2021, 11:35 am

I'm alright with keeping the bridge across Nokomis since it would already be a hard sell to remove the Cedar Avenue connection to 62 and 77. However, if Minneapolis is serious about getting people out of their cars, then perhaps they should consider closing the bridge to regular traffic and only used by pedestrians, bikers, and buses (perhaps part of a future C Line extension).
Yeah, I broadly like a lot of the ideas going around here to reduce/remove highway traffic from Cedar, but I would hope that when planning any serious changes to either the bridge or the 62/77 interchange, they'd consider future transit uses as well. I think someday having a Cedar aBRT line would make a lot of sense, and a bus-only guideway allowing buses to continue on to 77 (and ultimately to the MOA) could make for a great transit experience without significantly increasing the complexity of the interchange.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby Tcmetro » September 7th, 2021, 11:53 am

Closing Cedar over Lake Nokomis is a good idea. It really only serves to degrade the park space.

South Minneapolis can use Portland, 28th, or 34th to drive to Hwy. 62.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby Trademark » September 7th, 2021, 1:23 pm

Closing Cedar over Lake Nokomis is a good idea. It really only serves to degrade the park space.

South Minneapolis can use Portland, 28th, or 34th to drive to Hwy. 62.
That's a 2 mile gap between access which will make Portland and 28th much more dangerous. If we are even considering closing cedar (which let's be honest is purely fantasy map territory). Then at the very least the Bloomington Ave exit will probably get redone with traffic being directed over there for access to 62.

We also have to consider the fact that there is no access to 62 west for Portland Ave. So in order to access 62 west from let's say Bloomington Ave and 54th. You would have to take either 54th to Portland to diamond lake to 35w. Or the newly congested lake nokomis parkway to 28th avenue.

The lack of east west connections in this area is a major limiting factor 60th doesn't go west of Nicollet. 54th doesn't go east of lake nokomis. Minnehaha parkway is already way too car centric for a parkway. 46th doesn't go east of cedar. This raises the demand for 62. And as much as closing the entrance to 62 will reduce some of that demand. There will still be plenty of congestion that will go towards the city streets and impatient drivers are dangerous drivers.

Is Cedar good right now? No! We need to seriously rethink this corridor. But let's not get carried away and think that closing this bridge is the solution. (which iirc didn't this get redone recently. I could be getting mixed up.)

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby amiller92 » September 8th, 2021, 11:34 am

Closing the causeway is absolutely the solution, but that doesn't mean it will happen.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby Trademark » September 8th, 2021, 4:00 pm

Closing the causeway is absolutely the solution, but that doesn't mean it will happen.
How would access be retained to Bloomington Ave into Richfield? Would drivers have to cut through lake nokomis Parkway? Would Portland Ave be redone to allow cars to continue towards 62 west? Or at the very least become even more dangerous then that section already is especially near 60th to 66th. Will 28th avenue be given a bunch of traffic lights because people will be more likely to run those stop signs near 62 with that being the only access point? Will Minnehaha creek become more car centric and not a parkway anymore with no east west access south of 42nd Street besides that with 62 unable to be accessed anymore?

Cedar avenue is a symptom of the problem which is the breakdown of the grid which forces all the cars onto Cedar. Get rid of Cedar and you make the problem worse now better.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby SurlyLHT » September 9th, 2021, 8:34 am

I bet the property values would go up nearby if you closed. Be a fun study for someone to do.

Shut it down, tear it out between Minnehaha and E49th st to extend the park and remove the 62 ramps and the causeway when it needs to be replaced.

There are a number of routes people can get to Richfiled via. If people don't like it they can order their Chipolte, Target items or etc from their phone or get on their bike.

The benefit of extra space for development and greenspace outweighs the needs of those who want to conveniently get out of the city to the suburbs.

This is one of the five major Lakes in the City and we should treat the area with dignity.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby MNdible » September 9th, 2021, 9:47 am

That's a 2 mile gap between access which will make Portland and 28th much more dangerous. If we are even considering closing cedar (which let's be honIs Cedar good right now? No! We need to seriously rethink this corridor. But let's not get carried away and think that closing this bridge is the solution.
Nice try inserting some reality into the conversation! Now let's get back to fantasy maps.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby Bob Stinson's Ghost » September 9th, 2021, 11:42 am

The incessant roar of planes overhead impacts my experience of Lake Nokomis about 10x more than anything going on with cars and roads.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby Trademark » September 9th, 2021, 11:48 am

The incessant roar of planes overhead impacts my experience of Lake Nokomis about 10x more than anything going on with cars and roads.
This! I think people should think about if they are willing to turn the Westside of lake nokomis into something more car centric with a turn onto either 77 or onto 60th to Bloomington and get rid of the bridge. Or keep the bridge and have lake nokomis parkway remain a parkway.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby fehler » September 9th, 2021, 2:31 pm

Bulldoze the Nokomis Knoll Historic District. I just don't get that place.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby Silophant » September 9th, 2021, 2:59 pm

The ability to do a complete lap of Nokomis on foot or on bike without those horrifying crossings of Cedar, especially the northern five-legged mess? I'll drive the bulldozer.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby DanPatchToget » September 9th, 2021, 6:19 pm

The ability to do a complete lap of Nokomis on foot or on bike without those horrifying crossings of Cedar, especially the northern five-legged mess? I'll drive the bulldozer.
Last year I went on a date at Lake Nokomis and we didn't dare try to cross Cedar, and instead walked along the west side of the lake. Witnessing a fender bender on the bridge made for a nice conversation starter though. :lol:

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby amiller92 » September 10th, 2021, 9:54 am

Bulldoze the Nokomis Knoll Historic District. I just don't get that place.
I did not know that existed. That's ridiculous.


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