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Re: Fantasy maps

Postby DanPatchToget » December 13th, 2019, 11:21 am

Updated version of my regional rail system map. This includes:
-a new "Minneapolis Central Station" under downtown that would handle the majority of traffic with trains coming as frequently as every couple minutes, all trains serving this station would have the ability to operate electrically (hybrid units and/or battery units)
-the "Soo Liner" now wraps around the West End area in St. Louis Park
-routes going southwest through Eden Prairie would utilize some of the Southwest LRT infrastructure (specifically between just south of Golden Triangle Station and just south of Shady Oak Station)
-regional bus routes included

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1piTUr ... sp=sharing

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Re: Fantasy maps

Postby Oreos&Milk » January 12th, 2020, 2:47 pm

Since we're in fantasy mode...

What if we extended Southwest LRT via existing HCRRA/MnDOT rights-of-way (mostly the old railroad grade to Chaska) with split service to Downtown Chaska and Downtown Shakopee? Those two downtowns are two of the seven county seats in our metro area, and they could relatively easily be served by a SWLRT extension, single-tracked past the split. A split service would connect each of these destinations every 20-30 minutes.

Considering where a Shakopee downtown station would be, it would make a great interchange with any sort of commuter or regional rail on the Union Pacific line to Mankato and beyond. Then invite major employers/nodes such as Amazon and Shutterfly to run private shuttles from this downtown transit hub to their exurban employment centers, something far more financially viable than MVTA running reverse commute services.

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You know I wonder if it would be worth considering an extension into Valley Fair similar to how other theme park around the world have some sort of rail connection but I'm hesitant to suggest it even for a fantasy map since VF is a lot smaller than the aforementioned other theme parks and unless they where to add something for winter activities, an extension would be pretty much useless half of the year (might be better to run shuttles like amazon or shutterfly)
I agree it’s almost worth mentioning in a fantasy thread. However what about connecting the proposed metro miller’s ballpark, Canterbury park, a Shakopee park and ride and the mystic lake casino. Given the recent push for downtown casinos I would think mystic would be rather motivated to better connect to the metro area. Heck even the proposed American BRT line could have a ending station in this area as well. Maybe when it’s up and running an extension will be more realized once they see it’s massive value. I mean those mystic busses funding could have more value going towards a private and public partnership.

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Re: Fantasy maps

Postby DanPatchToget » February 8th, 2020, 6:41 pm

Very interested to see what happens with their express routes and the ridership between the two if/when they keep them. Not something I would use much anymore, but I’m still annoyed Metro Transit nerfed the off peak 94 to put people on the slower train. If urban users were forced into that, southwest metro commuters should be also.
I Don't think that might be an issue given how SW transit is kinda its own thing and not completely under Metro Transits thumb.
On a side note this might be wandering into fantasy maps a bit but anyone else here wonder if SW Transit had enough capital to by some cars and maybe build a few sections of third track, they would try and make a none-stop service between SW station and downtown
Your idea is kind of like mine in which mainline trains (local to Carver, regional to Mankato and New Ulm) would utilize the Southwest LRT infrastructure and stations (skipping some stations to decrease travel time) between Southwest Station and St. Louis Park and then the freight tracks going into Minneapolis. I'm not sure how many sidings would be needed but since the frequency would be lower (probably every 30 minutes for the local trains and every hour to 2 hours for regional trains) I'm hoping there wouldn't need to be significant upgrades to allow mainline trains (specifically self-propelled and single-level trains like our light rail trains but allowed to operate on tracks governed by the FRA) on light rail tracks. Obviously this would require some change in governance, specifically allowing tram-train operations and requiring the railroads to accept this kind of operation since I know for a fact Union Pacific doesn't want self-propelled trains on their right-of-way.

I figure since we're spending $2 billion on this infrastructure we should take advantage of it as much as we can, and this infrastructure might provide opportunity for having regional rail service from Minneapolis to Carver and beyond to Mankato and New Ulm via Union Pacific's Mankato Subdivision.

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Re: Fantasy maps

Postby DanPatchToget » February 17th, 2020, 6:15 pm

Kind of crazy idea although maybe it has some merit; extend the Blue Line west on 55 to Golden Valley instead of Bottineau.

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Re: Fantasy maps

Postby talindsay » December 9th, 2020, 11:51 am

So this is by no means a fantasy map, but it belongs here because it's all about how one conceptualizes transit networks. Paris, the densest city in the western world, also has one of the world's busiest metro systems. With an extensive new "suburban" (Paris' suburbs are denser than almost every major urban core in America) network of radial lines under development, they're rethinking how they represent transit in Ile-de-France. Viscerally I don't like this map but that's probably because I associate the old map with my time in Paris. It's an interesting map though, using true circles to represent radial lines.
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Re: Fantasy maps

Postby DanPatchToget » January 4th, 2021, 10:26 am

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid= ... sp=sharing

This is basically an alternate universe where the Twin Cities follows Denver and Dallas's example of having large rapid transit networks but the routes miss a lot of important and high density areas in favor of easy and cheap routes to build on. I didn't include commuter rail, but I assume the Northstar Line would still be built and maybe one or two other routes. The majority of stations on busways would be online (on the freeway, a local example being the existing I-35W & 46th Street Station).

There are of course tons of considerations when looking into alternate timelines like this, but it's best not to take it too seriously. The point of making this was to see what our rapid transit system could look if we were like Dallas and Denver in terms of planning light rail and BRT routes. However, I haven't been to either of those cities so I've only read and looked at their transit systems from the web, so if anyone has experience with either of those systems let me know if you think this is accurate or inaccurate.

I'll also note that some routes appear to go through a lot of buildings (particularly in Downtown Minneapolis), but not long ago these sites were surface lots, and before that they were likely railroad right-of-way.


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