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Re: D Line - Chicago-Fremont/Emerson Rapid Bus

Posted: October 15th, 2020, 6:15 am
by Trademark
The D Line has been funded!

Re: D Line - Chicago-Fremont/Emerson Rapid Bus

Posted: October 15th, 2020, 8:00 am
by NickP
Yes!!!

Re: D Line - Chicago-Fremont/Emerson Rapid Bus

Posted: October 15th, 2020, 10:14 am
by talindsay
The House has voted to fund it. Before you crack the domestic non-vintage sparkling wine, wait for the Senate to vote and the governor to sign it. If the Senate passes the bill, it will probably be after significant changes that require the two houses to create a compromise before it goes to the governor. Today's news is good news, but the line didn't get funded yet.

Re: D Line - Chicago-Fremont/Emerson Rapid Bus

Posted: October 15th, 2020, 10:48 am
by Trademark
My bad I didn't read that right. That's what I get reading through things at 4am before work.

Re: D Line - Chicago-Fremont/Emerson Rapid Bus

Posted: October 17th, 2020, 10:53 am
by Silophant
Looks like the House decided to play hardball, and adjourned their session after passing the bill, making the Senate take it or leave it, and they took it. So, assuming the governor doesn't decide to torpedo his own party's big accomplishment, I think we can consider this funded. Here's a Minnesota Reformer article about the BRT lines, which includes the tidbit that all the buses for both the D and B Lines will now be electric. Metro Transit must be confident in the technology now that the kinks are worked out with the C Line.

Re: D Line - Chicago-Fremont/Emerson Rapid Bus

Posted: October 17th, 2020, 1:33 pm
by alexschief
The battery electric bus thing is interesting, because I know a lot of US agencies have struggled with them, even as places abroad (mostly in China) have succeeded. The D Line especially will be a long route for the BEBs, and even tougher in the winter. I'd be interested to know what Metro Transit might be doing right, and what gives them the confidence to move forward with the technology.

I wonder if it's partially a manufacturer issue. I believe there have been specific problems with Proterra's BEBs, and maybe the New Flyer model is superior.

Re: D Line - Chicago-Fremont/Emerson Rapid Bus

Posted: October 17th, 2020, 3:15 pm
by Silophant
I imagine that the D Line buildout will install chargers at MOA, so buses can charge up at both ends. Not at a computer right now to measure distance, but I would think that the one-way length of the D Line is probably pretty similar to the round-trip length of the C Line, right?

Re: D Line - Chicago-Fremont/Emerson Rapid Bus

Posted: October 17th, 2020, 7:08 pm
by DanPatchToget
The battery electric bus thing is interesting, because I know a lot of US agencies have struggled with them, even as places abroad (mostly in China) have succeeded. The D Line especially will be a long route for the BEBs, and even tougher in the winter. I'd be interested to know what Metro Transit might be doing right, and what gives them the confidence to move forward with the technology.

I wonder if it's partially a manufacturer issue. I believe there have been specific problems with Proterra's BEBs, and maybe the New Flyer model is superior.
I've heard only bad things about BYD. Albuquerque originally ordered from them for their BRT route, but there were several issues with the buses and chargers plus not all of the buses were delivered on schedule, leading to the service being delayed for 2 years. They instead use diesel buses, but I'm not sure which manufacturer.

Re: D Line - Chicago-Fremont/Emerson Rapid Bus

Posted: October 17th, 2020, 11:45 pm
by Tcmetro
Indianapolis also ordered BYD buses for their new BRT line. I believe some of the issues have been resolved, but a future order has been cancelled.

Palmdale/Lancaster CA is pretty much an all BYD fleet at this point (that is where BYD buses are manufactured in the US), and Seattle and Toronto are testing BYD buses. There are a few other systems (mostly in CA) that operate them also. Most of the buses in Guangzhou and Shenzhen are BYD electric buses, and there's probably something like 15-20,000 in operation between the two cities.

Here in Chicago we have 2 electric New Flyers that have been converted from slow-charge to fast-charge. One bus line (# 66 Chicago) is getting bus lanes and will get a fleet of Proterras. It will be interesting to see how the new buses perform.

Both Gillig and Nova also offer electric buses now.

I think some of the big problems with electric buses so far have been aggressive expectations from TAs. They're definitely not proven over the long term at this point and it doesn't make sense to put the most important (i.e. BRT) lines as the test subjects. For now it's probably best to introduce them on lighter-used lines to better understand them and the operational needs.