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Winona

Postby mulad » September 13th, 2013, 10:29 am

There was a fire in downtown Winona this morning on the block containing Blooming Grounds Coffee Shop, a block west of Merchants National Bank. The area is a historic district.

And I hate to be snarky with an event like this, but I think this is the first time I've ever heard the term "cockloft"...

http://live.mprnews.org/Event/Firefighe ... nona_blaze

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Re: Winona

Postby MNdible » September 13th, 2013, 12:03 pm

Hope they're able to repair these buildings -- Winona has some great historic fabric.

EDIT: Looking at the pictures, it's clear that a number of them are total losses.

Meanwhile, here's the deal with cocklofts (which I had also never heard of).

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Re: Winona

Postby woofner » September 13th, 2013, 3:08 pm

You have to log on to get to the cocklofts on that link above. http://youtu.be/m1agaZinJHg

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Re: Winona

Postby MNdible » September 13th, 2013, 3:17 pm

Hmm. It was free this morning -- perhaps they noticed the sudden spike of interest in cocklofts?

http://youtu.be/SKm5xQyD2vE

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Re: Winona

Postby FISHMANPET » September 13th, 2013, 3:33 pm

Weird, I found that link on my own independently and I didn't have to login.

Basically, a cockloft is an attic that's not separated my firewall. So all these buildings had a common attic-type space (technically not an attic because it's not supported by triangular rafters) in which the fire could spread.

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Postby seanrichardryan » September 13th, 2013, 4:05 pm

http://goo.gl/maps/hVrtU

Looks like it was three storefronts, those that are not red brick in the streetview.
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Re: Winona

Postby mulad » September 13th, 2013, 5:32 pm

Sometimes sites will let you see something for free a few times if you come in off of a Google search.

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Re: Winona

Postby mattaudio » February 6th, 2015, 7:24 am

Another fire destroys a classic downtown building of the traditional development pattern. http://m.winonadailynews.com/news/local ... touch=true

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Re: Winona

Postby masstrlk67 » December 14th, 2015, 8:49 am

MPR story on development in downtown Winona.

http://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/12/14 ... evelopment

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Re: Winona

Postby matthew5080 » March 28th, 2016, 4:41 pm

The Winona bridge project is likely to go $30 million over the initial plans.
http://www.postbulletin.com/news/local/ ... 0ce85.html

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Re: Winona

Postby Mdcastle » April 28th, 2016, 5:33 am

Options for the Bridge:
1) Do the project as originally planned: $30 Million over budget
2) Do a quick fix for a 20 year design life; remains fracture critical and weight restrictions likely: $19.5 Under to $5.5 Million over budget
3) Demolish the old bridge, deal with building a second span when traffic volumes warrant in 2038: $25 Million under budget for now.
4) Demolish and rebuild the deck truss approach segments with modern concrete, keep the through truss river span: $21-$23 Million over budget.
5) Convert the old bridge into a bicycle pedestrian facility (bicycles and pedestrians would likely be restricted to a 10 foot or so trail on the bridge rather than the full width), deal with a second span in 2038: $3.5 -25 Million under budget

My take: Even though there's a protected bicycle trail on the new bridge, let's rehabilitate it into a non-motorized facility. I've always thought it was dumb that the plan was to dump four lanes of traffic into a single downtown intersection. In 2038 lets evaluate the situation and maybe consider building a second bridge at a different location, maybe to line up with Huff Street or else as a bypass for the town; A lot of the traffic using the bridge is going to parts other than downtown so it doesn't make sense for them to have to drive through it.

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Re: Winona

Postby mattaudio » April 28th, 2016, 8:42 am

Monte thanks for this info. So the demolish expense is roughly equivalent to the low-end estimate to rehab the old bridge for bike/ped use? And the high-end estimate to adapt the old bridge for bike/ped is $21.5 million over the cost to demolish? Seems like universe of rational responses boils down to these two options - demolish or adapt for bike/ped - and some further digging should be done to determine which one is the better course of action.

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Re: Winona

Postby Mdcastle » April 28th, 2016, 9:35 am

Yes, maybe a more clear way would be to state what each cost would be from the baseline of zero dollars instead of the baseline of what the budget is:

Original Budget:
Full Rehab $35 Million

Current Estimates:
1) Full Rehab: $65 Million
2) Quick Fix: $15-$40 Million
3) Demolish: $7-$10.5 Million
4) Demolish and replace approach spans, rehab river span: $55-$57 Million
5) Bicycle / Ped Facility: $10-$30 Million

Cost of a second new span: $50-$70 Million in today's dollars.
http://www.dot.state.mn.us/winonabridge ... ment-5.pdf

I agree that it makes sense to either demolish it or adapt for bike/ped at this point.

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Re: Winona

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Re: Winona

Postby mamundsen » May 16th, 2018, 3:01 pm

Any guesses what could be brewing in Winona?

https://www.twincities.com/2018/05/16/w ... t-mystery/
WINONA, Minn. — Southeast Minnesota officials aren’t sure why an Indiana company has spent more than $3 million acquiring property in their area.

Rock LLC has bought six properties in Winona since December, including a stained glass studio and a lumber site, the Winona Daily News reported. In some cases, the company paid more than four times the estimated market value for a parcel.

Local officials haven’t had much contact with the company and aren’t sure what it plans to do with the land near the area’s interstate bridge.

“We have a standard set of questions, and right off the bat, they were asked what their plans were,” Hacken said. “They said ‘We’d rather not say, but it’s going to be really cool.’ That’s what my employee was told.”

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Re: Winona

Postby Anondson » May 25th, 2018, 2:45 pm

Turns out it’s because Fastenal is expanding and wants to build more offices in downtown Winona.

https://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/ ... -home.html

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Re: Winona

Postby grant1simons2 » May 25th, 2018, 3:01 pm

So 100s of employees being added in Winona which will mean a lot more housing necessity for families. Already 1000s of new jobs planned for Rochester. Sounds like we may need some trains folks.

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Re: Winona

Postby mattaudio » May 25th, 2018, 3:32 pm

You can buy a house in Winona for like $75,000....

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Re: Winona

Postby grant1simons2 » May 25th, 2018, 3:41 pm

I was just trying to connect our outstate development resurgence (Winona, Roschester, Duluth and Red Wing)

JUST BE AN ALLY MATT.

Also the houses are cheap now but like... that stock will get sucked up fast and we both know it.


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