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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby Silophant » March 30th, 2018, 10:33 am

Dayton will veto it if it gets to him.

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby Bakken2016 » March 30th, 2018, 10:51 am

Dayton will veto it if it gets to him.
So I read in here that the Met Council is not technically in compliance with federal requirements. is that true?

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby Multimodal » March 30th, 2018, 2:15 pm

So I read in here that the Met Council is not technically in compliance with federal requirements. is that true?
Wikipedia doesn’t think so, since it reports most MPOs across the country are appointed, excepting Portland.

I know that the Transportation Advisory Board (TAB) is a separate thing because of federal requirements.

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby Bakken2016 » March 30th, 2018, 2:34 pm

So I read in here that the Met Council is not technically in compliance with federal requirements. is that true?
Wikipedia doesn’t think so, since it reports most MPOs across the country are appointed, excepting Portland.

I know that the Transportation Advisory Board (TAB) is a separate thing because of federal requirements.
So the GOP is just trying to skew the perception of it to try and get people to hate the Council.

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby tmart » April 26th, 2018, 7:09 pm

Rep Lewis is pushing this at the federal level and has attached an anti-Met Council provision to the FAA budget, because of course he has.

http://www.startribune.com/u-s-house-ap ... 480995681/

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby VacantLuxuries » April 27th, 2018, 7:49 am

I've been thinking about the voting for Met Council members thing.

Is it more important to suburban Republicans to be able to ruin metro projects, or to no longer have to answer to the Met Council?

Because if they manage to pass this, I think maybe it's time to redraw the Council boundaries to carve out the areas that would be detrimental to the overall goal of a better metro area. The double-edged sword of this for the Republicans is the Met Council would be immune to a Republican governor coming in and appointing another Annette Meeks.

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby Anondson » April 27th, 2018, 8:04 am

Are the current districts equally divided by population? How often do they get redrawn?

Maybe some enterprising cartographers could experiment gerrymandering boundaries for these hypothetical elected districts?

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby VacantLuxuries » April 27th, 2018, 8:19 am

I'm not even talking districts, I'm saying straight up cut off the service areas to just Eastern Hennepin, Ramsey, and the urban fringes of the other counties.

If you only want to be a part of something to wreck it, you shouldn't be a part of it at all.

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby tmart » April 27th, 2018, 9:37 am

Experience and cynicism suggests to me that the first proposal out of the GOP camp will be to assign one elected rep per county, or per municipality. The toxic idea that political power is vested in land areas and not in humans will never die in this country.

Idealistically I do kind of like the idea of having an elected body that covers only the parts of the state that actually want to participate in the Metro area. An alternative, but perhaps pie-in-the-sky, idea I had to achieve that would be municipal mergers to incorporate first-ring/streetcar suburbs into Minneapolis or St. Paul, but I can't imagine ever having a unified Minneapolis-St. Paul municipality.

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby Anondson » April 27th, 2018, 9:49 am

What about just merging Hennepin and Ramsey?

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby MNdible » April 27th, 2018, 10:00 am

The most critical function of the Met Council is sewage treatment, not buses. It needs to be bigger than just the urban core.

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby VacantLuxuries » April 27th, 2018, 10:02 am

Be that as it may, sewage treatment shouldn't be used as a club to keep beating the city every time we aspire to be something bigger than a place for outstate to come and watch football.

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby mattaudio » April 27th, 2018, 10:03 am

We can call it Ile De Minnesota

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby Multimodal » April 27th, 2018, 10:04 am

We can call it Ile De Minnesota
Ha ha. But some of us in The Marais want to participate, too.

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby MNdible » April 27th, 2018, 10:14 am

In any case, I'd guess that a truly representative seven county Met Council (proportioned by population, not some other shenanigans) would be supportive of transit.

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby EOst » April 27th, 2018, 10:42 am

Could a Met Council elected equally by county survive an Equal Protection challenge in the courts? IANAL, but I'd think Avery v. Midland County would be a relevant precedent.

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby tmart » April 28th, 2018, 4:20 pm

All the screeching about the Met Council being "unelected" makes me wonder who they think makes the appointments, and whether they'd also like to vote directly for the Commissioner of Education, Lottery Director, and Mark Dayton's personal assistant.

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby Anondson » May 25th, 2018, 2:06 pm

Bonding bill insert changes the regional planning process.

http://www.startribune.com/insert-in-bo ... 483656911/

Anyone who has read the language of the change care to forecast the consequences if it made it past a line item veto?

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby MNdible » May 25th, 2018, 4:36 pm

You can only line-item appropriations/spending. Even though a bonding bill should only be spending, this seems to be a policy provision they snuck in?

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Re: Metropolitan Council

Postby Tiller » May 28th, 2018, 12:07 am

Could make for a fun/interesting State Supreme Court case: legislative bills are supposed to have a single-topic according to the Minnesota Constitution vs the line-item veto only applies to appropriations. If this is in a bonding bill, then it should be bonding, and thus veto-able. If it isnt an appropriation/veto-able, then the court should nullify the change as unconstitutional.


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