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Per usual, census bureau estimates below Met Council. If I recall correctly, the 2010 census revealed the Met Council estimates to be more accurate.

I'm not worried (yet). Minneapolis is apparently one of the (few) remaining markets in the US where apartment demand has not yet been satiated. Perhaps it's the lag in the Midwest behind the coasts, or perhaps it's something else. Either way the city continues to build out at a steady, modest clip and as long as that continues I think the US Census will start to reflect that better in their estimates. OR......maybe we're (Met Council is) wrong.

Pretty cool....definitely hoping that some places like SLP, Edina, Minneapolis, St. Paul, Richfield, etc. are a bit under-counted. I've probably said it here before and I'll say it again now, but I'd love to see our metro grow closer to 15% decennially and we're still hovering around 10%-11%. Perhaps it's trending more in that direction the past year or two though. Overall, it's great to see how much of the growth has occurred in the core cities and inner-ring areas -- I would have never foreseen something like this occurring in such a short period of time when things seemed to have hit rock bottom in the 90's.

When do the baby boomers really start dying in droves? Probably after 2020?

"When do the baby boomers really start dying in droves? Probably after 2020?"

Ouch! Do you think this advances discussion in a productive way? Could you phrase this any better? Was this a joke?

Well people are talking about demographics and population growth. Because the baby boomers were born together in such a large cluster, population growth numbers will be further weighed down once their bump starts passing on.

The Boomers begin with births in 1946, so the oldest boomers are 72. If you already made it to age 72, your life expectancy is about 14 more years. (source)

So the beginning of the "wave" is still a good ways away, and that's just accounting for the oldest members of the generation.

Well people are talking about demographics and population growth. Because the baby boomers were born together in such a large cluster, population growth numbers will be further weighed down once their bump starts passing on.

What if 25% of baby boomers are dead or in assisted living by 2030? Will we still be talking about a housing shortage?

Once the boomers are no longer voting, there will finally be open borders. So, yes there will still be a housing shortage.

Thinking that open boarders is a good idea is a knee jerk reaction to anti-immigrant racism. On its own merits it probably isn't a good idea. It would be a disaster for the working class.

There is a lot of real estate in the middle ground between open boarders and kick everybody out.

Once the boomers are no longer voting, there will finally be open borders. So, yes there will still be a housing shortage.

Don't be so sure, we have a pact that we're taking out the millennials before we go.

I agree with Chef, there is a lot of room between free range and booting everyone.

It's probably also not a good idea to assume that Millennials won't change their political views over time, either, considering that's exactly what the Boomers did (Gen X too, though not as much so far).

Millennials are further to the left ideologically and in terms of voting patterns than baby boomers were at this point in their lives, so even if/when their views gradually change, they will never be as conservative as the baby boomers are right now.

Demographically, Edina has the oldest population in the Twin Cities. And it grew by almost 10% according to that data.

Keep replenishing with new people and we’ll all be OK.

so decided to use the new population estimations and make a density portion, (calculated based on available land of a city i.e. no water) only did the cites/townships in Hennepinn county (someone else is more welcome to do the rest)


The top 5 densest cities in Hennepin as of 2016 end up being
1. Minneapolis 7,723 per sq. mi. (no surprise)
2. Robbinsdale 5,326 per sq. mi.
3. Richfield 5,319 per sq. mi.
4. Spring Park 4,842 per sq. mi. (if you're confused about that, only .36 sq mi of the cities .62 sq mi is land and like I said didn't calculate water)
5. Hopkins 4,676 per sq. mi.

And the top 5 densest growing cities are
1. Minneapolis 754 growth per sq. mi. (no surprise again)
2. Osseo 483 growth per sq. mi.
3. Hopkins 365 growth per sq. mi.
4. Wayzata 362 growth per sq. mi.
5. St. Louis Park 345 growth per sq. mi.

didn't get all of it though since the 5 cities that are in Hennepin and an adjacent county since I didn't really try to to find how much area is in Hennepin county but I only spent a few minuets on this

This is excellent. Well done!

Decided to make another density chart, this time for Ramsey County (if anyone else wants me to do one of the other metro counties just ask).


Top 5 in terms of density:
St. Paul: 5,948 per sq. mi. (surprisingly wasn't in 2010)
Lauderdale: 5,776 per sq. mi.
North St. Paul: 4.256 per sq. mi.
New Brighton: 3,541 per sq. mi.
Mounds View: 3,307 per sq. mi.

top 5 in terms of densest growing
St. Paul: 464 growth per sq. mi.
Mounds View: 291 growth per sq. mi.
North St. Paul: 224 growth per sq. mi.
New Brighton: 220 growth per sq. mi.
Roseville: 179 growth per sq. mi.

I'm starting to wonder if these charts are any bit helpful since while they do give a average density of a city, they don't factor in whether or not a city has more of a uniform population density or has pockets of high density areas counteracted with areas of low density in its boundries.

I can’t comment on helpful, but I find them very interesting! Thank you for doing them

It's a snapshot. Different people will view it differently.

To me it looks like the calm before the storm. The birthrate continues to fall and the mortality of the largest generation in the history of America will start ramping rapidly in the next decade. The first of the boomers are now 73. The more I read about it the more worried I get. We're much better off than Japan or China, but it's still going to be a pretty big drag. I'm thinking growth will be pretty elusive over the next 20 years.

Does anybody have a reality check? Am I worrying about nothing?