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[twincitizen]

MnDOT is interested in turning back West 7th to city or county ownership. It could be that just the portion east of 35E gets turned back or possibly the whole corridor from downtown all the way to the bridge.

Would this involve re-routing MN-5 onto Shepard Rd? This has always felt like such a simple swap, but I'm sure there's some historical or legal reason why it can't happen. (Hopefully, as a state highway, Shepard Rd could be put into a state of good repair, which it clearly is not as a city street.)

It wasn’t a big point of discussion, but I would guess probably not. My guess is if MnDOT were to turn back all of West 7th to the county or city after rebuilding it, they’re not going to take ownership of another street, especially one in such dire need of reconstruction. Furthermore, I don’t think turning Shepard Rd into more of a highway is consistent with St. Paul’s vision and plans for the river. I assume St. Paul would prefer to someday rebuild Shepard as a slower, “parkway style” street.

[Silophant]

My understanding is that the sticking point with rerouting MN-5 onto Shepard is that Shepard doesn't have a full interchange with 35E, just the southern half of a diamond. I guess a turnback would include just officially truncating it at the Mississippi River Blvd interchange at the east side of the bridge?

[Mdcastle]

No historical or legal or reason. In fact at least at one time, the goal was to have trunk highway correspond to principal arterials / NHS segments. Shepard / Warner east of 35E is both, 7th is neither. Besides inertia and needing to negotiate, problems are:

1) There's not really any momentum for moving the direct connection from the bridge from 7th to Shepard, despite there being underutilzed land available to do so.

2) Despite it's current condition, about 20 years ago St Paul's vision for Shepard seems to have shifted to be more like some quaint idyllic parkway rather than as a major state highway designed to serve the needs of people in cars. Back in the 80s there was even a plan for an interchange at Chestnut.

[twincitizen]

For those that haven't been thinking about how to rework this area for a decade or more, we have an old thread with links and maps (both fantasy and from an actual study): viewtopic.php?t=466

Even with the shift in the vision for Shepard Rd (parkway, not highway), it still makes perfect sense to rework the roads in this area, both to remove some vehicle traffic from 7th and to build out a street grid for future development of all the vacant & underutilized land around here.

[J. Mc]

https://metrocouncil.org/Council-Meetin ... nfo-1.aspx

The New W 7th Corridor Concept overview and engagement summary presentation for the 5/12/25 Transportation Committee

- Overall it appears there's decent support for this concept
- A new multi-use trail conversion of the CP spur seems to be another 'carrot' to leverage support for more dedicated guideway BRT improvements vs. ABRT = no trail
- The final slide touches on the need to make some decisions quickly given some of the related project deadlines.

[MSPtoMKE]

Assuming that the Purple Line gets built in some form, it seems like it would make a lot of sense to combine this with it, instead of having both end at Union Depot.

[J. Mc]

Assuming that the Purple Line gets built in some form, it seems like it would make a lot of sense to combine this with it, instead of having both end at Union Depot.

As long as both are running in mostly dedicated ROW and total end to end travel time isn't too much I agree. I'd just hate to see service get kneecapped on one 'line' due to routine delays piling up on the other.

Another issue with this corridor as a BRT that really needs to be addressed during planning is the bottleneck at MSP Silver Ramp GTC. The bus stop area there in current form is really struggling to accommodate 54-wb, 54/M-eb, 495, 686L/X, BluBu-sb, BluBu-nb, Airport shuttle bus, and Delta Flight Crew. That's eight different services potentially arriving within minutes of each other in a designated bus stop area designed to accommodate 2 buses. It may be as simple as moving the Delta shuttle over to a designated stall in the diagonal spots to free up curb capacity for a separate designated stop area for the R line (or whatever it'll be). Something should be done though.