Perhaps a farmer's market might be more appealing to the folks here?
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Perhaps a farmer's market might be more appealing to the folks here?
How is this a strawman considering that most people on this board are vying for Downtown East to become the next big residential neighborhood in Minneapolis...
A strawman is when you attack a position your opponent did not make (i.e. you construct a 'strawman' that is easy to defeat and then attack it) I don't believe that anyone has stated they want kids to sit around and play Tony Hawk video games. The weather argument is not a strawman. It's actually true that a skatepark, unless temporary, goes underused in the winter. The fact that there are other underused facilities in the winter has no bearing on that. If there were two options for this park and they were otherwise equivalent in their cost, ability to draw people in and engage the community, etc., but one could be used year round and the other not, I think we'd choose the year round option everytime.The seasonal argument is a total strawman.
Agreed.Is there something deficient about the skate facilities at Elliot Park? I think building a new skatepark 0.6 miles from an existing one may be wasteful.
Yes. Deficient would describe the facilities at Elliot Park perfectly. If the idea is to create a "world class skatepark" it should have about as much in common with the facilities at Elliot Park as the new Saints Stadium will have with baseball fields all over the city.Is there something deficient about the skate facilities at Elliot Park? I think building a new skatepark 0.6 miles from an existing one may be wasteful.
I would guess that when he called the seasonal argument on a straw man he meant that no one was claiming the skate park would be used year round. It's not really that different than the facilites for basketball, tennis, baseball, and every other sport. As it turns out, outdoor activities are generally seasonal around here.A strawman is when you attack a position your opponent did not make (i.e. you construct a 'strawman' that is easy to defeat and then attack it)
I agree. No tennis courts, softball, skateboarding etc. I think it'd be better to install something versatile.I'd be opposed to tennis courts or softball fields or any other active sport that most people aren't involved with.
Well-executed concessions that augment the park experience. In the few locations where Minneapolis has made even a passing effort at this, they've been rousing successes. For some reason, most other cities figured this out a long time ago. People love sitting in parks and eating and drinking. We don't need to invent this from scratch -- there are countless examples of great, urban squares around the world. Just pick a good one and copy it.So my question is... Everyone wants the new stadium and this "yard" to not be static areas, and to draw people to use them, but no one wants activities or anything in them, except for fountains and sculptures... What is it that people think IS going to draw people to use these spaces 24/7/365 then?
Sounds like a yard...To that end, a good amenity would be a very large, flat, treeless expanse of grass. It's a soccer field, a frisbee area, a kite flying zone, a place for volleyball, bocce, a picnic spot or just a place to suntan.
That works in the warm seasons, but I still bring visitors to Minnehaha Falls in the winter. Why would people go to the big sheet of grass in the winter? Skating Rinks are recreational facilities and are essentially the winter equivalent of a skate park, why couldn't the rink go over the skate park? And why would they rather skate there than at the Depot or on Lake of the Isles or at the Landmark Center in St Paul, all 'cooler' places to go skating by a long shot... They already do music and movies in other parks, so is this just stealing programing? They plan on doing concessions at the new Waterworks park on the river, with better views and cool ruins, blocks away... I'm just saying we already have a lot of these things in large quantity what is going to make this man made park with all of the same features better than all of the other parks? What's the draw.Well-executed concessions that augment the park experience. In the few locations where Minneapolis has made even a passing effort at this, they've been rousing successes. For some reason, most other cities figured this out a long time ago. People love sitting in parks and eating and drinking. We don't need to invent this from scratch -- there are countless examples of great, urban squares around the world. Just pick a good one and copy it.So my question is... Everyone wants the new stadium and this "yard" to not be static areas, and to draw people to use them, but no one wants activities or anything in them, except for fountains and sculptures... What is it that people think IS going to draw people to use these spaces 24/7/365 then?
Indeed. Yards are popular. At Calhoun, people gather at the grassy southwest corner, on college campuses, people gather in the quad or on the mall. In Central Park, people gather in Sheep Meadow. Big flat pieces of grass are people magnets.Sounds like a yard...
Forum over. We can all go home now folks.They could put down some type of hard surface so people could park their cars and grill.
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