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Here is a quote from Minneapolis's Vision Zero Action Plan.

"Due to a variety of factors, Minneapolis Police stopped fewer than 3,000 people in 2021 for moving or equipment violations—compared to about 16,000 traffic stops in 2019 and about 90,000 traffic stops in 2012"

If traffic laws are not being enforced why should we expect people to follow them? We need to redesign our streets so enforcement is less necessary.

It's not going to work. You'll have to go to extremes. I mean we can't even keep people from driving in the city parks. The park board had to place logs all around a park to stop people from driving in it. There were even reports of drivers aiming for kids playing sports on a field to scare them. If we struggle to keep cars from going where they aren't supposed to be, how are going to modify behavior on the roads where they are intended?

There are also unintended consequences of road diets and etc. Whether it is snow clearing or allowing emergency vehicles or me watching housing contractors trying to see how they can deliver modular units for affordable housing at the intersection of a road which had a diet and a bicycle blvd.

As I've said on here before, if you reduce one area the cars just go to the next easiest place to pass through, which often is residential streets versus an artery. You'll be better off having a wider artery and less cars trying to bypass the congested artery by going down residentials streets and running stop signs. Which is more dangerous to cyclists and pedestrians? Also at an artery intersection I have a stoplight and clear visibility. Versus on a residential street I have a stop sign and often parked cars blocking my view. I sneak out into intersections and hope there isn't a car whizzing down the block toward me just out of my view. If a car is speeding it's better that they are on an artery than a residential street because you can see them coming. On a residential street it's a lot harder to see them especially if they are E/W crossing the shorter blocks. I try to use my ears as much as possible.

Or else we could fund the police enough that they can make traffic violations illegal again and go back up to 90,000 traffic stops a year.

Here is a quote from Minneapolis's Vision Zero Action Plan.

"Due to a variety of factors, Minneapolis Police stopped fewer than 3,000 people in 2021 for moving or equipment violations—compared to about 16,000 traffic stops in 2019 and about 90,000 traffic stops in 2012"

If traffic laws are not being enforced why should we expect people to follow them? We need to redesign our streets so enforcement is less necessary.

Or else we could fund the police enough that they can make traffic violations illegal again and go back up to 90,000 traffic stops a year.

I would be more likely to somewhat agree with this statement if it were any other police department. Plus I suspect traffic crime (or crime in general) is more complicated than how many police officers are on duty.

Or else we could fund the police enough that they can make traffic violations illegal again and go back up to 90,000 traffic stops a year.

Cedar Lake Trail to downtown is now closed until 2025. Was supposed to reopen in 2021.

"The Kenilworth Trail, a popular downtown commuter line between Lake of the Isles and Cedar Lake, has been closed since 2019 and won't reopen until 2025."

"The North Cedar Lake Trail that runs near downtown Minneapolis will also be closed until 2025, and sections of the South Cedar Lake Trail in Hopkins and St. Louis Park will be closed until 2024."

"These trails were supposed to open in 2021 or 2022, the Met Council originally said when blocking them off for construction of the Green Line between Minneapolis and Eden Prairie."

https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities ... losed-2025

Meanwhile, very few shutdowns of roadways for car traffic have been observed as part of this project. And when roads have been blocked, it's for months, not for over half a decade.

Has this frustrated anyone else?

It's a huge project, I don't know what you all expect? A huge reason for the delays is the tunnel which is costing a ton and will primarily benefit cyclists. As a cyclist and taxpayer I wish they didn't do the tunnel at all, but what is done is done.

It's a huge project, I don't know what you all expect? A huge reason for the delays is the tunnel which is costing a ton and will primarily benefit cyclists. As a cyclist and taxpayer I wish they didn't do the tunnel at all, but what is done is done.