Presidential Election 2016

[grant1simons2]

Feel the Bern might be the worst political slogan I've ever heard. I want to vote for a candidate, not a venereal disease.

Seriously though, I just automatically stop taking an argument seriously when someone says that.

How does, "A change we can believe in" sound? Because I've seen a lot of signs say that. And Bernie's podium said it too.

[Tiller]

"Feel the Bern might be the worst political slogan I've ever heard."
Do u even lift m8y?

Though I personally prefer "Not For Sale" and "Can't Be Bought" as slogans. They certainly draw a contrast now, don't they?

[mattaudio]

How about Hope and Change?

[at40man]

I'd guess there are more center-right people who don't like Trump than center-left people who don't like Bernie. But just making this up right now with no evidence.

I consider myself center-right, and I honestly am supporting Hillary this time around. Not because she's so great or anything, but she's a helluva lot better than Trump's buffoonery and her ideas aren't straight out of Fantasyland like Bernie's, either.

[acs]

If you're in the center to center right like me, the only candidates for you are Hillary, Rubio, Kasich, Christie and maybe Jeb Bush. Of those, only the first is a front-runner likely to get the nomination, so Hildog it is.

[amiller92]

Rubio does not belong on the list. Centerist in rhetoric maybe, but in terms of policy proposals he's hard to distinguish from Cruz.

[mattaudio]

The whole left/centrist/right continuum completely misses the point. They're all working for the same bosses. Establishment.

[seanrichardryan]

http://www.startribune.com/readers-writ ... 366636051/

PRESIDENTIAL PROCESS

Entertaining, for some, but of little benefit to the nation

As the media go crazy wondering if 2016 will be a battle between the one socialist in Congress and a TV reality star famous for his bad hair and bankrupt casinos, we tend to forget how utterly ridiculous the U.S. system for electing presidents is. In Iowa, the “winners” will be decided by a few thousand teacher union reps, vegan college students, ethanol lobbyists, home schoolers and evangelicals who speak in tongues. Then the race moves on to New Hampshire, a lily-white, tiny state full of crusty farmers and Revolutionary War re-enactors. This is not politics; it’s reality TV.

Ken Darling, Golden Valley

[amiller92]

The whole left/centrist/right continuum completely misses the point. They're all working for the same bosses. Establishment.

Okay, but Obama and Bush were too, and yet we've seen pretty significantly different policy outcomes between them.

[VAStationDude]

The whole left/centrist/right continuum completely misses the point. They're all working for the same bosses. Establishment.

Okay, but Obama and Bush were too, and yet we've seen pretty significantly different policy outcomes between them.

Being correct isn't as important as fitting a narrative.

[Tiller]

The whole left/centrist/right continuum completely misses the point. They're all working for the same bosses. Establishment.

Okay, but Obama and Bush were too, and yet we've seen pretty significantly different policy outcomes between them.

That would depend on the area of policy, and in many cases it's only a matter of degree. Obama has been pushing the TPP pretty hard, while Bush expanded Medicare.

The largest differences are probably in terms of Social Policy, though even then Obama evolved on the issue of gay marriage. I think I remember hearing Cheny changed his mind on it too b/c of his daughter.

[phop]

The largest differences are probably in terms of Social Policy, though even then Obama evolved on the issue of gay marriage. I think I remember hearing Cheny changed his mind on it too b/c of his daughter.

And that whole foreign policy thing...

[trigonalmayhem]

For foreign policy I'll take the less wars option, please.

[mattaudio]

Okay, but Obama and Bush were too, and yet we've seen pretty significantly different policy outcomes between them.

Not really though.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... /?page=all
http://www.npr.org/sections/theprotojou ... difference
http://www.humblelibertarian.com/2011/0 ... -just.html
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/09/5_ways_ ... _policies/

[EOst]

You're right, Samuel Alito and Sonia Sotomayor are virtually interchangeable.

[Tiller]

The largest differences are probably in terms of Social Policy, though even then Obama evolved on the issue of gay marriage. I think I remember hearing Cheny changed his mind on it too b/c of his daughter.

And that whole foreign policy thing...

Yes, with us verging on the edge of a 3rd Iraq war.
With a "no fly zone" [having been](Obama took it off, Hillary bringing it back) on the table that would require the commitment of tens of thousands of American troops (and moving us towards conflict with Russia and her proxies).
With US "Advisors" (See: Vietnam War) having been dispatched to a number of different countries over the last 8 years.
With Regime Change still being an integral part of US foreign policy (See: Arab Spring, Ukraine, Honduras).
With an intensification of our drone and surveillance programs.

Both Bush and Obama are center-right in terms of foreign and economic policy, with Hillary being between the two.

[Nathan]

Is Hill-dawg (worse than feel the bern) more electable than Bernie Sanders? ... not really.

Is Hillary Clinton More Electable Than Bernie Sanders? - http://huff.to/1VpoCgs

[EOst]

"Person who has so far been the subject of virtually no attack ads from Democrats or Republicans has better ratings than someone attacked constantly for the last 25 years, news at 11."

[Nathan]

Apparently one candidate warrants attack ads. Despite the other having been in politics longer. Maybe because one has done a lot of shadowy behind the scenes politics and capitalizes on corporate money. When there's less to attack there's not as much to say, so yeah a good for the people politician wouldn't have a lot of attack ads, especially not from their own side.

[Didier]

Or because one was the first lady, a senator from New York and a secretary of state, while the other was a back-bench, independent senator from Vermont.

Come on.