Westminster Church
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So suburban sprawl would have been a better result? I'm thoroughly confused as to this line of argument. Westminster has been a downtown institution for 150 years, but you'd prefer that they relocate to Carver, or build additional classrooms and event space in Carver while maintaining a downtown presence? Why the love for the office building? Westminster's plans will better provide a front porch to the mall and the greenway.
As for the increased parking, it's underground. Why is that even an issue?
As for the increased parking, it's underground. Why is that even an issue?
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Building something mixed use in addition to it.What would be a better outcome that still results in the church getting the event space they need?
I wouldn't make that assumption. Reading between the lines, I'd assume they wanted something that looked appropriately stately.I'm assuming that if it was possible to remodel the office building they would have thought of it and done so.
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The mall and greenway don't need a "porch." They need people. The collective result of Westminster's actions is to reduce the number of people working and living in proximity to the mall and greenway. They're expanding low-intensity institutional uses exactly where we need to be going in the opposite direction to leverage all that existing public investment.Westminster's plans will better provide a front porch to the mall and the greenway.
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Let's agree to disagree. That office building (like many Class B/C) was woefully underutilized. I'd much rather take a "porch" than an abandoned house on the mall. Despite what you may think, Westminster isn't in use only on Sunday mornings.
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Friend of False Choices.
I'd love to see adaptive reuse of a woefully underutilized office building in Carver for Westminster. Don't forget the front porch. Hwy 212 really needs a front porch.
I'd love to see adaptive reuse of a woefully underutilized office building in Carver for Westminster. Don't forget the front porch. Hwy 212 really needs a front porch.
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I know for a fact that the reason the office building was underutilized was that they've been telling prospective renters for years that they may kick them out and tear it down, and they also stopped investing in improvements a long time ago. That's a recipe for an empty building.
I've defended the actions of the church for a long time -- you can search through the thread for proof -- assuming that they'd pull together something really special that aligns with their progressive leanings to replace what they tore down. This plan, while architecturally interesting, is a net loser. Too bad.
I've defended the actions of the church for a long time -- you can search through the thread for proof -- assuming that they'd pull together something really special that aligns with their progressive leanings to replace what they tore down. This plan, while architecturally interesting, is a net loser. Too bad.
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Seems like a irreligious statement on your part -- which is ironic, give than Westminster has more SJWs per square foot than all of south Minneapolis. Irreligious or classist? What's your poison (pen)?
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I'm sure there are, and will be, tens of people inside its facilities at nearly all daytime hours. Facilities that will occupy an entire city block.Despite what you may think, Westminster isn't in use only on Sunday mornings.
Heck, if there was anything other than internet criticism standing in their way, they might even try to quantify just how heavily used it will be on non-Sundays (okay, no they wouldn't, because the numbers would look pathetic). Good thing they are spared the burden.
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This is an unfunny gimmick you've got going here, I'd recommend finding a new one.Seems like a irreligious statement on your part -- which is ironic, give than Westminster has more SJWs per square foot than all of south Minneapolis. Irreligious or classist? What's your poison (pen)?
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Apoligies, Tyler. My response was to mattaudio's "Then take your ball and move to Carver" position. Call and response got lost in the tubes of the Internet.
Fishmanpet, not sure what the "unfunny gimmick" is. Please enlighten. . .
Fishmanpet, not sure what the "unfunny gimmick" is. Please enlighten. . .
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What is a sjw?
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Social justice warrior.
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Just gonna point out the username here real quick so we can end this silliness.
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non-descript stunted 80's glass box torn down for refined building and garden spaces fronting our busiest pedestrian street. it's a win and no loss.
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Tearing down affordable housing so you can hold more decadent weddings is not social justice, even those who are tepid proponents of SJ could see this.
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That's why they're called "limousine" liberals. Do as I say, not as I do. Unfortunately this congregation includes some pretty big DFL power brokers so there was no way this was getting stopped in this city.
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I don't think anyone is lamenting the loss of the building in particular, just the office space it contains.non-descript stunted 80's glass box torn down
We have lots of nearby garden spaces already. We need pedestrians.garden spaces fronting our busiest pedestrian street
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That's why they're called "limousine" liberals. Do as I say, not as I do. Unfortunately this congregation includes some pretty big DFL power brokers so there was no way this was getting stopped in this city.
Isn't much more that I can say on this, other than that Westminster built more affordable housing than it tore down. In addition, a portion of the addition will be given over to a "community partner." This from the Westminster website:
In addition, 25% of the building is reserved for an on-site, direct service community partner. The building will demonstrate environmental leadership with ecological, responsible design.
May I suggest that you change your online avatar to the Monopoly Millionaire game piece (with the appropriate slash through it) and then wait to see what the future brings. I'm out.
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Details from the Downtown Journal:That's probably true. Care to alleviate our ignorance?
http://www.journalmpls.com/news/develop ... expanding/
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