The two previous "attempts" were a small skyway location and a kiosk in Marshall Fields... two places with only 9-5 hours and completely seasonally dependent. Those were just bad decisions. They don't have previous factory attempts, and this is a MUCH more residential area with MANY people going to the Guthrie and using the River Pkwy. They will have no shortage of traffic for the shop. They also have an obvious demand for an expanded production facility if they can afford David Salmela... and actually make it cool looking.Given Izzy's history of having unsuccessful locations they later decide to close.
They still sell scoops in the Macy's basement food court, though it's not a stand alone shop by any stretch of the imagination.The two previous "attempts" were a small skyway location and a kiosk in Marshall Fields... two places with only 9-5 hours and completely seasonally dependent. Those were just bad decisions. They don't have previous factory attempts, and this is a MUCH more residential area with MANY people going to the Guthrie and using the River Pkwy. They will have no shortage of traffic for the shop. They also have an obvious demand for an expanded production facility if they can afford David Salmela... and actually make it cool looking.Given Izzy's history of having unsuccessful locations they later decide to close.
Heaven forbid there be a small factory, residents, and office space in one area. Diversified economic areas are THE WORST! no.
I haven't seen him. Maybe he missed the forum switch? Someone should shoot him an email.Does the Mill City Times reporter still post here? Maybe under a different name?
Oh, the horror!Heaven forbid there be a small factory, residents, and office space in one area. Diversified economic areas are THE WORST! no.
I think you are missing the point of comment. No heaven forbidding in my comment. Then again I really don't know what that terms mean besides a phase you say when you strongly object and are almost enraged... The factory as it stand being an ice cream shop I'm OK with the idea and it might add to the community.The two previous "attempts" were a small skyway location and a kiosk in Marshall Fields... two places with only 9-5 hours and completely seasonally dependent. Those were just bad decisions. They don't have previous factory attempts, and this is a MUCH more residential area with MANY people going to the Guthrie and using the River Pkwy. They will have no shortage of traffic for the shop. They also have an obvious demand for an expanded production facility if they can afford David Salmela... and actually make it cool looking.Given Izzy's history of having unsuccessful locations they later decide to close.
Heaven forbid there be a small factory, residents, and office space in one area. Diversified economic areas are THE WORST! no.
) yes it does matter how much Ice cream they sell at this particular location because they only have one other location in St. Paul. Where else are they going to be making money to keep the business running? I know most people here know a lot about city planning and development but for me it seems this is basic business 101. I guess they are selling some product in Macy's and perhaps some other sites. Perhaps that's what I am missing... does Izzy Ice cream have a lot of sales in local retail stores?It's not solely an ice cream shop though. It is their headquarters and a factory at which they will be producing their product for sale across a much broader area. Its not like the livelihood of the building or company depend on how much ice cream they sell at this particular location. I wouldn't worry about it...
I think you are missing the point of comment. No heaven forbidding in my comment. Then again I really don't know what that terms mean besides a phase you say when you strongly object and are almost enraged... The factory as it stand being an ice cream shop I'm OK with the idea and it might add to the community.The two previous "attempts" were a small skyway location and a kiosk in Marshall Fields... two places with only 9-5 hours and completely seasonally dependent. Those were just bad decisions. They don't have previous factory attempts, and this is a MUCH more residential area with MANY people going to the Guthrie and using the River Pkwy. They will have no shortage of traffic for the shop. They also have an obvious demand for an expanded production facility if they can afford David Salmela... and actually make it cool looking.Given Izzy's history of having unsuccessful locations they later decide to close.
Heaven forbid there be a small factory, residents, and office space in one area. Diversified economic areas are THE WORST! no.
What I object to is the likely hood that they will be successful building a small factory and ice cream shop downtown (in one of the coldest metro areas in the United States) Of course Ice cream is still a huge market and huge demand I don't wish to argue that, however the likely hood of them being bankrupt or decide to close the site down I think is very likely. Sales will be small during cold months and very high during summer. The fact that DQ doesn't have a street level store is probably because the sales during the cold months would be low and few people would want to take such a risk on a seasonal business (yes yes I know they sell burgers and frys too but I don't think they have a reputation for good burgers
I'm not wishing them failure, but in all honestly I don't see how they can be successful! Sure during winter I think I might by a few packaged containers and carry then home over a mile away if its really good Ice cream lol but I just don't see it as a profitable business to build a factory and retail store downtown in such an expensive site!
If and when they go out of bussiness then we will have a "worthless building" that will serve no purpose! perhaps in 10 years the city will buy it to prevent a new factory user from using it and the site will become an addition to the park. Perhaps a community room or rec. center.
Honestly you think in 10 years from now they will STILL be serving ice cream? ...how about that Flip Flop shoe store at the MOA how successful was that... oh wait they closed shop before last winter lol
No it doesn't... They are a distributor, not a retailer. They produce ice cream and distribute it to stores and restaurants to be sold there. They are not Dairy Queen, or an ice cream parlor. They aren't opening this building to make money from selling ice cream to people. They are opening it because they need a headquarters and a factory, they are merely selling ice cream on the side. There would have to be a lot of extremely poor management decisions and cost overruns if opening one ice cream parlor completely bankrupt Izzy's.yes it does matter how much Ice cream they sell at this particular location because they only have one other location in St. Paul. Where else are they going to be making money to keep the business running? I know most people here know a lot about city planning and development but for me it seems this is basic business 101. I guess they are selling some product in Macy's and perhaps some other sites. Perhaps that's what I am missing... does Izzy Ice cream have a lot of sales in local retail stores?
I think I am starting to understand there vision a bit... They are a small company that having a factor in the suburbs, a office downtown and possible a store downtown (though it sounds like they never really focused on the store idea at this location) may be to much of a hassle, however the added cost of downtown factory space surly will have to be passed on through the price of the ice cream... I guess it creates that unique atmosphere kinda like Krispy Kreams when they made doughnuts right in front of you.No it doesn't... They are a distributor, not a retailer. They produce ice cream and distribute it to stores and restaurants to be sold there. They are not Dairy Queen, or an ice cream parlor. They aren't opening this building to make money from selling ice cream to people. They are opening it because they need a headquarters and a factory, they are merely selling ice cream on the side. There would have to be a lot of extremely poor management decisions and cost overruns if opening one ice cream parlor completely bankrupt Izzy's.
yes, I think that would be a great idea! lol I would get the R&D team on developing a HOT ice cream! kinda like a melted chocolate sunday and a hot liquid ice cream drink! Also creating cone straws that you could eat in a hot drink too! Also I think giving melted ice cream would be a great way to enjoy ice cream during winter! ...although you would have to eat it quick!... before it froze!
I think Izzy's should consider hiring you for their Coprporate Development Team,
I love this ideaMaybe instead of ordering coffee with cream or a shot of flavor, it's an izzy of any flavor in the coffee...
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